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Postby Saaropean » 2005-08-06, 15:19

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English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-08-06, 15:22

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]

Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]
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Re: Juice

Postby baja » 2005-08-06, 15:27

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ]

Polish: sok

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-08-06, 15:28

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Polish: sok
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Postby kibo » 2005-08-06, 15:48

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Polish: sok
Serbian: сок [sok]
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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-08-06, 15:52

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Polish: sok
Serbian: сок [sok]
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Postby Strigo » 2005-08-06, 15:54

zumo sounds odd to me.. we nevar use it but jugo instead :)
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Postby paruha » 2005-08-06, 15:55

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Serbian: сок [sok]
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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-08-06, 16:06

Etymology…

Portuguese sumo and Spanish zumo come from Greek ζωμός, though my sources disagree on the intermediate stages—while DRAE says it's through Arabic zūm < Spanish Arabic zúm, Houaiss says it's through Iberian Latin zumu, with the influence of Latin sucus.

Portuguese suco and Spanish jugo, on the other hand, come from Latin sucus. Portuguese actually seems to have had two forms, one straight from Latin sucus itself, which regularly evolved to sugo (attested in the 17th century), but which disappeared, and one from Vulgar Latin succus (from Latin sucus), which regularly evolved to present-day suco.

Chinese 汁 (also imported by Japanese) comes from 氵(水 [shuǐ]) 'water' and phonetic 十 [shí]. 果汁 is composed of 'fruit' + 'juice'.
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Postby Saaropean » 2005-08-06, 16:27

Etymology? Why not? :D

Luxembourgish Saaft, Dutch zap and German Saft come from an old Germanic root related to Old Icelandic safi, meaning "tree sap".
The T in Saft was added in the 14th century or earlier.
According to this site, the word has its origin in the Indo-European stem *hab, meaning "water". That's where aqua comes from, too.

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-08-06, 16:41

Since I mentioned Greek and Latin, just adding them:

Greek ζωμός meant 'soup', 'broth', 'sauce (to be eaten with meat, fish etc.)'. Doric Greek had δωμός.

Latin sucus / succus meant 'juice', 'moisture', 'sap', and could also be found with the meaning of 'tonic', 'potion', especially in poetry.

And not to be left behind, English juice comes from Old French jus, from Latin jus ('broth', 'soup', 'sauce'), ultimately from a Proto Indo-European base *yus. Greek ζωμός would be ultimately related to that same root, too.

Saaropean wrote:Luxembourgish Saaft, Dutch zap and German Saft come from an old Germanic root related to Old Icelandic safi, meaning "tree sap".
The T in Saft was added in the 14th century or earlier.
According to this site, the word has its origin in the Indo-European stem *hab, meaning "water".

I'd seen another explanation for it at this site, too—that English sap < Old English sæp, Dutch sap and German Saft came from Proto Germanic *sapom, from Proto Indo-European *sapon- < *sap- ('juice', 'fluid'), from which Latin sapere ('to taste', and later, 'to know') was also related.

Phew. :)
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Postby Liisi » 2005-08-06, 17:24

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Finnish: mehu
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Postby baja » 2005-08-06, 17:26

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Finnish: mehu

Arabic: عصير [a3siir]

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Postby Guillem » 2005-08-06, 17:38

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]

Catalan: suc [suk]
French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Finnish: mehu

Arabic: عصير [a3siir]

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Postby Egein » 2005-08-06, 18:02

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]
Icelandic: Safi

Catalan: suc [suk]
French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Finnish: mehu

Arabic: عصير [a3siir]
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English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]
Icelandic: Safi

Catalan: suc [suk]
French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Finnish: mehu

Arabic: عصير [a3siir]

Esperanto: suko
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Postby Kirk » 2005-08-06, 19:07

English: juice [dʒuːs]
German: Saft [zaftʰ]
Luxembourgish: Jus [ʒyː] / Saaft [zaːft]
Icelandic: Safi

Catalan: suc [suk]
French: jus [ʒy]
Portuguese (PT): sumo
Portuguese (BR): suco [ˈsuku]
Spanish: zumo [ˈθumo]/[ˈsumo]; jugo ['xuɣo]

Bulgarian: сок
Polish: sok
Russian: сок [sok]
Serbian: сок [sok]

Lithuanian: sultys (pl.)

Chinese: 汁 "zhī" [tʂi̋], 果汁 "guǒzhī" [kuɔ̀̏́tʂi̋]

Japanese: ジュース "jūsu" [dʑɯːsɯ] / 汁 "shiru" [ɕiɾɯ]

Korean: 주스 "juseu" [tʃusɨ], also 쥬스 "jyuseu" [tʃjusɨ]

Finnish: mehu

Arabic: عصير [a3siir]

Esperanto: suko
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Postby Kirk » 2005-08-06, 19:11

By the way, how do other people say it in English? I say [dʒjɯs], while in English it's usually marked without the palatal glide [j], but I definitely have it there. Do you say [dʒus] or [dʒjus] (ignore the variation in /u/...I have /ɯ/, some dialects have /ʉ/, some /u/, etc.).
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Postby Varislintu » 2005-08-06, 19:13

I just have to add to the ethymology discussion a thing I have read.

Apparantly, a long time ago, people didn't know how to make hard cheese. Cheese was liquid. The word for liquid cheese began with jus (I can't rember the whole word, check the topic about cheese). This word in some languages came to mean soup, in some it came to mean hard cheese (like Finnish juusto and Swedish ost ), and in some languages, it came to mean juice.

But I don't know how reliable this information is, at least it didn't get added to the BB article on cheese, so maybe my source is not right :) .
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Postby Kirk » 2005-08-06, 19:17

Varislintu wrote:I just have to add to the ethymology discussion a thing I have read.

Apparantly, a long time ago, people didn't know how to make hard cheese. Cheese was liquid. The word for liquid cheese began with jus (I can't rember the whole word, check the topic about cheese). This word in some languages came to mean soup, in some it came to mean hard cheese (like Finnish juusto and Swedish ost ), and in some languages, it came to mean juice.

But I don't know how reliable this information is, at least it didn't get added to the BB article on cheese, so maybe my source is not right :) .


The words may be related in some languages, but apparently not in English. From etymonline.com, English "cheese" has this as its etymology:

O.E. cyse, from W.Gmc. *kasjus, from L. caseus

And "juice" has this as its etymology:

c.1290, from O.Fr. jus, from L. jus "broth, sauce, juice," from PIE base *yus- (cf. Skt. yus- "broth," O.C.S. jucha "broth, soup," Lith. juse "fish soup")
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