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Levike wrote:@Mentilliath: Just for fun I listened to your recording and tried to write down what I heard.
The result is pretty funny and maybe says something about my listening skills.
What I heard: Omniam haste mora ke felas lagrona sotnivotes sonielasosom
What I should have heard: Ommiam hastemōda gelthēlas lagronas sot nivotesom welāsosom
Koko wrote:I heard a lot of the s's as /T/ . I'm glad to say that I caught 60% of the words, which is more than what I can for Isyan. I'd have written down what I thought I heard if I had remembered, but now it's too late: I forgot to when I listened to the recording. Anyways, Halvian sounds just as I imagined: slightly better than Isyan . I need to work on my Isyan's phonology better so it's the most greatnessest.
Thanks.Mentilliath wrote:That's actually pretty cool.
Koko wrote:The only voiced fricatives I absolutely love are /v/, /ʒ/, /ʝ/, and /ɦ/. I detest /z/, /ɣ/, /ð/, /ʁ/, and /ʕ/
Iparxi_Zoi wrote:I love /ʒ/ too!
And as far as consonants go, anything after velar doesn't really appeal to me, which is one of the reasons I don't like Caribbean Spanish (too many /h/'s, not enough /x/'s and /s/'s).
I really dislike Slavic languages, except for maybe Slovak. They all sound too jumbled up with too many consonant clusters and too much palatalization.
I also have a liking for languages with at least some form of voiceless/voiced distinction. Languages lacking this distinction to me sound "primitive" with the exception of Finnish and Nahuatl.
How do record yourself? I don't even have a mic...
Koko wrote:In my newest conlang Ferodian, I have so many words with it. I fear that I've gone overboard . It's too soft and pretty that it is probably my all time favourite consonant.
Koko wrote:Do you therefore not like /ħ/ ?
Koko wrote:Who said Czech had palatalization ? Jk. Though, I find it odd you like Slovak but not Czech which is almost the same save minor differences.
Koko wrote:*gasp* Another thing we agree on . I think aspirated-unaspirated distinction is fine as long as the language isn't Asian. For some reason this is an aspect that is shared amongst Chinese and Korean languages I just can't get over like tone. Japanese is different.
As i've said, Icelandic is a pleasant language, and it only has aspirated/unaspirated distinction. Is that what you meant by "some form?"
What about Bosnicroatiserbimontenegran? Palatalization is more or less vestigial in it, having yielded a set of true palatals and otherwise disappeared.I really dislike Slavic languages, except for maybe Slovak. They all sound too jumbled up with too many consonant clusters and too much palatalization
bears resemblanceKoko wrote:it bares resemblance to my beloved Czech.
That's rather a lot of them, seeing how English has only /j/ (and so do many other languages). The contrast between /j/ and /ʝ/ is vanishingly rare, too.There are no palatals save /j/ and /ʎ/ (italian inspired) and /ɲ/ (also /ʝ/).
Iparxi_Zoi wrote:I love languages that have soft sounds like /θ/, /ð/, and /ɣ/ and I'm a big fan of voiced fricatives.
mōdgethanc wrote:bears resemblanceKoko wrote:it bares resemblance to my beloved Czech.
]That's rather a lot of them, seeing how English has only /j/ (and so do many other languages). The contrast between /j/ and /ʝ/ is vanishingly rare, too.
Ahzoh wrote:@Koko: you might like my conlang Vrkhazhian, it has /ç ʝ/, oh but it has /z/, /ɣ/, though /z/ is rather rare.
"Qaẕd" [qaʝd] means "onyx" in Vrkhazhian...
To be blunt, it's a little wacky. My feedback:Ahzoh wrote:What you think of the consonant inventory overall?
http://www.frathwiki.com/%C5%A0arad_Yat ... Consonants
Levike wrote:At least it's not so grumpy as Lietmotiv's cat.
mōdgethanc wrote:To be blunt, it's a little wacky. My feedback:Ahzoh wrote:What you think of the consonant inventory overall?
http://www.frathwiki.com/%C5%A0arad_Yat ... Consonants
a) what is the rationale for having pre-aspirated consonants
b) why pre-aspirated sonorants and not just voiceless sonorants
c) why a uvular nasal phoneme (rare) but no velar nasal (common)
d) why random uvularized sounds
e) why /ts/ but no /dz/
f) why palatal affricates and fricatives (rare) but no postalveolars (common)
g) why four rhotics with one random labialized consonant and a uvular trill (rare)
h) why a palatal lateral fricative (rare) but no alveolar lateral fricative (common)
i) why a contrast between mid and open-mid vowels (rare) but not close-mid and open-mid (common)
j) why /ae/ and /ao/ but not /ai/ and /au/, or /ei/, /ou/, /eu/, /oi/ etc.
k) why do /t, d/ get lenited after front vowels (no conditioning factor)
l) are ejectives and implosives phonemes or allophones
m) why bilabial fricatives (rare) and not labiodental (common)
n) why clusters of stops that differ in voicing (unlikely)
I mean, strictly speaking, none of this stuff is impossible. It's just very unlikely that there would be this many violations of near-universal rules in a single language. I've highlighted the ones I think are the most dubious. (Especially that lateral fricative - what the hell?)
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