Massimiliano B wrote: Because if there is a limit, there is also space for something different from the simple immanent - or "material" - world.
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Massimiliano B wrote: Because if there is a limit, there is also space for something different from the simple immanent - or "material" - world.
IpseDixit wrote:Massimiliano B wrote: Because if there is a limit, there is also space for something different from the simple immanent - or "material" - world.
IpseDixit wrote:
"There are some limits therefore a trascendental dimension exists".
voron wrote:linguoboy wrote:Massimiliano B wrote:I want just to say that evolutionary theory has some limits. It says how moral sentiments have evolved, but also how immoral sentiments did evolve - in other words, how good inclinations and bad inclinations have arisen. But the reason why one prefers the 'good' inclinations and hates the 'bad' inclinations is out of the reach of the evolutionary theory.
Actually they're not. Just look at all the work which has been done reconciling evolutionary theory with the existence of altruism (which appears to exist not only in humans but in many animal species as well). When you keep in mind that evolution works over populations rather than individuals, then there are some quite rational explanations for why people behave in ways that we consider "moral".
How morality, altruism and other traits of human nature could have evolved in accordance with the evolutionary theory is the subject of evolutionary psychology.
IpseDixit wrote:Am I not free to say that you're making shit up?
IpseDixit wrote:Moreover you haven't explained your interpretation of your sentence.
Massimiliano B wrote:You have no evidence that I'm making shit up.
Moreover, I am not the only one who likes to find metaphysical or religious interpretations of the world.
IMassimiliano B wrote:My sentence means that I am free to spend my time trying to find "why" I am here, and not only "that" I am here.
Because if there is a limit, there is also space for something different from the simple immanent - or "material" - world.
I am free to spend my time trying to find "why" I am here, and not only "that" I am here
IpseDixit wrote:
Oh, I see, soBecause if there is a limit, there is also space for something different from the simple immanent - or "material" - world.
actually means:I am free to spend my time trying to find "why" I am here, and not only "that" I am here
Makes an awful lot of sense! Why haven't I thought of that?!
linguoboy wrote:Massimiliano B wrote:Evolutionary theory has been used in order to discredit any kind of religious worldview.
No, only those religious worldviews which claim that life was created and directed by some specific supernatural entity.Massimiliano B wrote:Should not the evolutionary theory give an account of any kind of organism we see - including not only the physical structure, but even of the higher capacities of human intellect?
This is exactly the question which gave rise to memetics.Massimiliano B wrote:If the answer is "no, it should not", there's then some space for different explications, which can even include religious or metaphysical ones.
Sure--but there's a huge difference between saying "there's room for metaphysical explanations" and there's room for my specific metaphysical interpretation. Evolution provides no evidence at all for the Christian worldview, and it disproves particular Christian worldviews which rely on interpreting literally the creation stories given in Genesis.
Massimiliano B wrote:Am I not free to think about metaphysical or religious ways of interpreting the reality?
Saim wrote:Massimiliano B wrote:Am I not free to think about metaphysical or religious ways of interpreting the reality?
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Massimiliano B wrote:Am I not free to think about metaphysical or religious ways of interpreting the reality? Is there a unique and official worldview which I have to adopt?
I repeat that even if there are no limits - that is even if science can explain every aspect of our life and any kind of mechanism of our universe - there is still some space left for a metaphysical interpretation of the world, since science tells us what happens and in which way it happens, while metaphysic or religious view try to tell us "why". That's a different kind of thinking.
But I as a Christian would point out that since both the one and the many are equally ultimate in the triune God and since temporal unity and plurality are the creation of the same God, then logically neither the “particle” nor the “whole” can demand the sacrifice of the other to itself.
Unlike my worldview Materialism holds that particles are ultimate. Therefore it behooves the materialist to explain how given materialism that particles can yield whole things.
Since I don’t hold that particles are ultimate I don’t need to posit an explanation for how the whole arises.
Materialism can’t borrow my worldview’s conclusions when it denies it’s premises.
xBlackHeartx wrote:Heh, I just clicked on the 'see results', to find that most of the people on this forum were science cultists. Wow. I guess I should get into the habit of assuming that places overrun by trolls are also overrun by science cultists.
Most species are only known from a single bone, or a small set of bones from one individual. And this is the 'evidence' that the theory is built upon.
Gee, you're outright bigotted, aggressive and insanely hostile and hell-bent on offending every single person you stumble upon, and YOU SERIOUSLY WONDER WHY EVERYONE HATES YOUR STUPID SICKENING CULT??????
md0 wrote:People like Dawkins are doing a huge disservice to both science and secularism, and New Atheism is a reactionary movement plain and simple.
Lur wrote:md0 wrote:People like Dawkins are doing a huge disservice to both science and secularism, and New Atheism is a reactionary movement plain and simple.
I have a huge problem with crypto-Christian atheists. They start suddenly ranting about Christian values and "our Christian culture" and shenanigans about the white race and I'm like "there's the door, over there, please go away".
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