TeneReef wrote:Democracy (soft euphemism for capitalism) sucks.
People lived much better in socialist Yugoslavia than in all these banana democratic republics of Balkans. Healthcare was free of charge, people had jobs, and people (of all ages, old and young) didn't need to turn to collecting garbage and plastic bottles in order to sell them to buy a loaf of bread.
Back then, 99% of people belonged to middle class, nowadays he have 95% of poor population and 5 % of new rich (advocates of foreign politics, foreign powers, EU and NATO).
I don't know much about Yugoslavia, but I was under the impression that it was subsidized by both the Soviet Union and the west at one stage or another. Subsidies of thise kind were bound to cease once the cold war ended, so it's not sustainable.
These days I would rather not invoke so called socialism when discussing democratic transitions in developing countries that are still struggling to break free from medieval tribalism and theocracy. The fact that socialism had its origin in the Utopian dreams of disillusioned formerly religious people doesn't help either. Let's face it, socialism is a dubious term. What exactly is socialism anyways? There are so many different versions of it, and when opportunity for taking power presents itself, followers of different socialist teachings often engaged in bitter sectarian struggles against one another with the use of political violence, exactly like how the Shia-Sunni Muslim infighting is taking place in the Middle East. No let's be honest. Socialism has never brought any developing countries into modernity. Honest liberal capitalism (as opposed to say state capitalism which is in essence medieval mercantilism
Internationalism and collectivism never worked. Humans are fundamentally selfish beings. Large multiethnic countries can only exist through centralized totalitarian control and repression. Just like Yugoslavia, Russia and China are bound to fall apart along ethnic lines in the end. The only thing we can really do is to advocate peaceful relocation of population and prevent genocide during the break up, and provide enough support so that people do not lose faith in the democratic new system. If countries like Australia and the US didn't go through thorough genocide in the past, they would certainly fracture too at some point along ethnic lines.
Yes there was Scandinavian 'socialism' but their welfare states are built on honest liberal capitalist economy too. Sweden has high tech industry and very large numbers of multinational corporations for such a small country. Norway has oil in the north sea, and does not rely on foreign technology to access this oil. This kind of social democracy was born in a sense of togetherness in the largely ethnically homogeneous communities in these countries, and it has rapidly deteriorated after they introduced large scale immigration.
But honest liberal capitalism makes progresses very slowly and can be very brutal too in the beginning, and this can lead to disastrous consequences. This is why the Marshall Plan was created. In Poland similar programs existed in the 1990s which helped to prevent systematic collapse of the newly founded democracy. Anyways I'm tired of typing..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0wjU1gShE
(note ignore what Hudson says about China. China is destroying itself too but in a different way - through irresponsible central planning which defies basic market principles, destroys the environment and violates human rights.
The people of the middle east and Ukraine rose up against their corrupt authoritarian governments and called for foreign interventions because they believe life will be better if they work with the US and the west. Let us not disappoint them. If our governments won't contribute much to the rebuilding of countries torn apart by the revolutions and civil wars, we as ordinary individuals should find a way to do so, instead of being armchair critics ranting about their policies being too conservative or too religious or whatever. I've seen many great products created through crowd funding, products that in the past simply wouldn't have been made because corporate manufacturers would deem them unprofitable. Surely there must be a way to contribute through some kind of crowd funding.