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Mars80 wrote:That discussion is not quite the same though. It's more about laws against it, as opposed to whether or not it's bad, wrong or harmful for someone to spank their kids.
linguoboy wrote:This discussion is a bit more focussed on the morality of corporal punishment and its link to violence: http://www.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38075.
The standard cliché is "This hurts me more than it hurts you". (Blatantly untrue.)Varislintu wrote:Reading that thread again, I got hung up on how many people said "I would spank but not out of anger". I actually don't really know what people mean by that. That they will, after no longer being angry, simply spank their child out of principle? How does that work in people's heads? "Sorry kid -- you're just going to have to get your dose of pain and humiliation now even if I don't actually feel upset over what you did anymore"?
I don't know, it gives me the creeps.
mōdgethanc wrote:The standard cliché is "This hurts me more than it hurts you". (Blatantly untrue.)
Ludwig Whitby wrote:Emotional anguish, come on.
Ludwig Whitby wrote:When I was a kid I prefered spanking. It was over quickly and I could get back to doing what got me spanked and hide it better from adults in no time.
Ludwig Whitby wrote:The alternative was getting grounded for days or weeks. Now that was real emotional anguish!
Ludwig Whitby wrote:There was this one time I got in an argument with dad (I don't even remember what the argument was about) and I'm not sure why or how but he began spanking me. I refused to apologize and he just kept hitting me and hitting me, harder and harder. I was in a lot of pain, screaming and crying, but I wasn't about to give up.
But anyway, do you think your feelings (or lack of them) towards being spanked is universally generalisable to all children?
Varislintu wrote:And would you spank?
Varislintu wrote:So you were held fast by your father and hit, with increasing severity, with the purpose of forcing you to submit your will to him through an arbitrary token gesture (an apology under threat of pain), over a mere argument? And you felt no negative emotions whatsoever? You were a child of steel, I must say. I would have been humiliated, disappointed and angry beyond belief. And then, I suppose, I'd have been forced to live under the same roof as him for another 10 years, while pretending to respect his "authority" so I wouldn't be hit any more, and become very bitter.
But I understand that you don't like having it implied to you that you should have felt like a victim, if you didn't feel like one. I know that there's a lot of variation in how people experience things.
Varislintu wrote:How am I generalising? About what?
I think having negative emotions when someone bigger than you who's supposed to take care of you hits you is kind of usual. I'm surprised if you really say "Why should I have them?". I can't really say anything to that, but I don't think you're drawing the best conclusion if you think that means all children find it preferrable to be spanked, and don't feel anything about it.
Varislintu wrote:I'm also a bit surprised that you formed all these opinions based on having been spanked twice. How do you even develop a preferrence on that experience?
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