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Johanna wrote:Oh yes, forced military service...
But AFAIK, it is possible to renounce your citizenship if you have another one, isn't it? Then you can go to Cyprus as a British citizen or whatever and not having to serve?
A lot of 2nd generation immigrants here look these things up and often renounce the citizenship of their parents' country, because those countries are often dictatorships, and being a Swedish citizen only will grant you help from Swedish authorities if something bad happens to you there, while if you have dual citizenship it's seen as a domestic thing.
Forced military service is one of the things usually on the "bad things that could happen" list, but it's not the top one.
meidei wrote:Johanna wrote:Forced military service is one of the things usually on the "bad things that could happen" list, but it's not the top one.
Some militaries are worse than others. I mean, a normal military service vs military service under a military dictatorship that harms the country's own people or during a war that you disagree with (or if you disagree with all wars -let's not talk about the right of C.O.s in Cyprus because you people will rightfully demand Cyprus to be expelled from EU forever).
Kenny wrote:My problem with dual citizenship is people who don't live in-country and don't pay taxes there having a say in what happens to people who do (via voting). I mean people who speak the national language natively and who are "stuck" in another country for political/historic reasons going back a ways as is the case of Hungarians living in Transylvania, Slovakia etc. should be allowed to acquire Hungarian citizenship without much hassle and benefit from most of the things other Hungarians born here do but as long as they don't live here long-term and don't pay taxes I don't think it's right to allow them to vote since they're voting about something whose effect on them is marginal compared to people who actually live here.
(My main problem is that political parties can appeal to these democratics in ways that will make it highly likely for such citizens to vote for them without considering other aspects of said parties' policies. Like, say, you can have a party that guarantees certain rights to "foreign-born" voters and that will make it more likely for those people to vote for them without worrying much about potentially disastrous past and future decisions "homeland" voters will take the brunt of.)
I'm not saying that, say, Transsylvanian Hungarians are any less Hungarian than I am, but pragmatically speaking, I think this is a problem.
meidei wrote:Most of them are unaware that they have to serve so they don't renounce their citizenship before they visit.
Levo wrote:As well as Argentinian and Uruguayian voters don't make parties to govern in Italy and Spain.
Itikar wrote:Levo wrote:As well as Argentinian and Uruguayian voters don't make parties to govern in Italy and Spain.
About Spain I cannot say, but in Italy some years ago they did, because we have a crappy electoral system where even a handful of votes in the high chamber can make the difference from forming a government or not.
However this is not due to dual citizens themselves but to the electoral system which is bad.
Strigo wrote:Itikar wrote:Levo wrote:As well as Argentinian and Uruguayian voters don't make parties to govern in Italy and Spain.
About Spain I cannot say, but in Italy some years ago they did, because we have a crappy electoral system where even a handful of votes in the high chamber can make the difference from forming a government or not.
However this is not due to dual citizens themselves but to the electoral system which is bad.
My dad, my sister, my brother and all of my cousins from my dad's side have Spanish citizenship (mine is a bit delayed because I didn't send the papers on time ) but well, my dad receives the envelopes for voting, for example, and he doesn't even touch them. I don't know if this is a trend but usually my family here do not vote in Spanish elections, even though they can do it.
For example, if you don't want to pay social security to Hungary and don't have an announced job elsewhere in EU, there is only one way: you must cancel your voting rights. Still you remain a citizen.
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