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Kind of a meaningless statement, IMO. Every language has grammar everywhere.Levente.Maier wrote:- The grammar is everywhere and to complex
This is a big problem as well, unless you speak another Finno-Ugric language natively.- The vocabulary is toooo different, it doesn't resemble the other languages that I speak
The phonology seems like it would be pretty hard for English speakers, particularly the vowels (front rounded vowels and vowel harmony are pretty alien to us).- That thing with the ö ü u i and ő ű ú í sounds and with the double consonants
Levo wrote:Levente, what kind of problem do you have with i-í, ö-ő? :-O
I have never had any problem with long and short vowels...
I never said they didn't. In fact, I think Russian is probably just as hard for English speakers as Hungarian is.I never understood why someone has problems with our case-system and not having problem with Slavic case-system Theirs is more complicated having different case-conjugations for different genders as well...
Varislintu wrote:Levo wrote:Levente, what kind of problem do you have with i-í, ö-ő? :-O
I have never had any problem with long and short vowels...
Maybe he means it's hard for others, who don't make a distinction natively?
Varislintu wrote:For me, because I'm yet to make a true effort at learning Hungarian grammar, the most difficult thing remains the pronunciation. Especially /e/, which is like the most common vowel in Hungarian, but which I cant make. I tend to say it as a Finnish /ä/ so as to distinguish it from /é/, even if I know it's a crude solution. But that's actually how books on Hungarian for Finnish speakers advise you to pronounce it.
Levo wrote:I didn't know you still try to learn Hungarian
Levo wrote:By the way, ä is not such a big problem. I mean, we understand it, especially that several dialects tended to use it. I have more acquaintances from Western-Transdanubia, who use ä today too.
To be honest, for me, using ä in Hungarian sounds rather archaic (and cool) rather than foreign sounding. When an English pronounces aspirated p,t,d, that is annoying indeed.
Ektoras wrote:I think the hardest part of Hungarian is the prefixes:
csinálni, felcsinálni; or you have the vulgar baszni and then you have kibaszni, átbaszni, felbaszni, megbaszni etc.
Also, I would say, its syntax is a mystery for me.
For Slavic languages, sure the case system isn't exactly a cake to master, but the main difficulty, I'd say, lies in the perfective/imperfective usage.
You mean /p, t, k/. And it's really a hard habit for me to break.When an English pronounces aspirated p,t,d, that is annoying indeed.
chung wrote:Ektoras wrote:I think the hardest part of Hungarian is the prefixes:
csinálni, felcsinálni; or you have the vulgar baszni and then you have kibaszni, átbaszni, felbaszni, megbaszni etc.
Also, I would say, its syntax is a mystery for me.
For Slavic languages, sure the case system isn't exactly a cake to master, but the main difficulty, I'd say, lies in the perfective/imperfective usage.
Syntax is the hardest thing for me to figure out since the only reliable rule that I've ever picked up is that the focused element precedes the main verb. However this often leaves me at a loss as to how to arrange the other elements of the sentence. I can put together a grammatical sentence with the right choice of words and correct inflection, but I often get my word order corrected by native speakers.
france-eesti wrote:I actually thought I had mastered the beast - understood its inner philosophy, how it works, its logic (because Hungarian is very logical, after all). But then I came across that :
Illative: -ba/be
Inessive: -ban/ben
Elative: -ból/ből
Allative: -hoz/hez/höz
Adessive: -nál/nél
Ablative: -tól/től
Sublative: -ra/re
Superessive: -n
Delative: -ról/ről
Why, why why 9 different endings to express "where"? honestly, I really liked you, Hungarian, but now...
Okay, I still like you, but this is not a good surprise for me (like the day I discovered I would have to learn partitive in Estonian, and choose between partitive and genitive and another of its friends to express direct object).
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