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TeneReef wrote:Finland and Sweden have made no restrictions on the flow of workers from Croatia (starting from July 1st when Croatia enters the EU), so I guess people are already planning their ''invasion''.
Varislintu wrote:TeneReef wrote:Finland and Sweden have made no restrictions on the flow of workers from Croatia (starting from July 1st when Croatia enters the EU), so I guess people are already planning their ''invasion''.
We'll see how that goes. Usually our climate and high price level deters people. Seldom do I hear people expressing a wish to come to Finland specifically (although as a gateway to other EU areas, yes). But I guess now that it's going badly in the old southern West, we might start looking more appealing.
Levo wrote:Actually, it is always a big problem for emigrants, at least here, for sure, to collect the money for the initial costs in a Western/Northern/South-Western European country.
The worse is the 2-3 month rent at the beginning, which is equal to the sum of two-three month full wages in Hungary. If you managed to save up for months or years so much with which you can risk starting a new life abroad, you always think twice, wether to spend it on something risky, or buy yourself something that you had been longing for...
Anyway, many friends, as well as I have also been included in thoughts like emigrating and it is very hard if you have no friends to live at at the beginning.
Varislintu wrote:TeneReef wrote:Finland and Sweden have made no restrictions on the flow of workers from Croatia (starting from July 1st when Croatia enters the EU), so I guess people are already planning their ''invasion''.
We'll see how that goes. Usually our climate and high price level deters people. Seldom do I hear people expressing a wish to come to Finland specifically (although as a gateway to other EU areas, yes). But I guess now that it's going badly in the old southern West, we might start looking more appealing.
AndreiB wrote:I don't know about Finland, but Sweden is full of immigrants.
As of 2010 however, 1.33 million people or 14.3% of the inhabitants in Sweden were foreign-born. Of these, 859,000 (9.2%) were born outside the European Union and 477,000 (5.1%) were born in another EU member state
As of 2011, there are 140,000 foreign born people residing in Finland, which corresponds to 2.7% of the population
Varislintu wrote:I think usually Finland slips peoples minds. It's considered a kind of colder, more hostile, less developed country than Sweden, if people even know it exists. We didn't even get our first Romanian beggars until what, five years ago? I can just imagine them sitting around a map in Romania, scanning EU countries and then one of them goes, "Hey wait, what is this god-forsaken looking area here next to Sweden? Is it part of Russia? No? It's EU?? Let's start our operations there, too!"
But yeah, things they are a-changing for Finland, too.
AndreiB wrote:I believe the other "European markets" are already full, so Romanian beggars found new, "virgin" territories.
Johanna wrote:... but as a comparison I live on social security, something that's calculated to just cover your basic needs in this society, and get about 130 SEK (€16) a day on top of getting my rent (including heat and water), electricity, insurance, dental and medical bills paid, and I can apply for extra money if there's something bigger I really need.
AndreiB wrote:
My cousin, who lives in Germany, stared to appreciate that back home there is a very small number of immigrants.
Levo wrote:Johanna wrote:... but as a comparison I live on social security, something that's calculated to just cover your basic needs in this society, and get about 130 SEK (€16) a day on top of getting my rent (including heat and water), electricity, insurance, dental and medical bills paid, and I can apply for extra money if there's something bigger I really need.
Oh my God, it sounds like a dream-society! It's much more a full-time worker can afford over here.
Varislintu wrote:I think usually Finland slips peoples minds. It's considered a kind of colder, more hostile, less developed country than Sweden, if people even know it exists. We didn't even get our first Romanian beggars until what, five years ago? I can just imagine them sitting around a map in Romania, scanning EU countries and then one of them goes, "Hey wait, what is this god-forsaken looking area here next to Sweden? Is it part of Russia? No? It's EU?? Let's start our operations there, too!"
Johanna wrote:By the way, how much does the average Hungarian spend on food for a week?
Levo wrote:AndreiB wrote:
My cousin, who lives in Germany, stared to appreciate that back home there is a very small number of immigrants.
You know Andrei, you're saying something very interesting with this...
(And you know, I met a bunch of Moldovan tourists-teenagers on their school-trip in Budapest!)
So, Vienna vs. Budapest.
When I'm over there, I realize, everything is so much more calm, automatized. People seem to be more relaxed, things are tidy and in order... At the same time, when you see some immigrants from very distant countries, they really break this "harmony", with loud shouts, very different behaviour and cultural background. And there's a lot of that.
It's true my travel-companion said, he wouldn't like to live in Vienna, no matter how much more comfortable it is than Budapest. I had the same thought. Interesting...
AndreiB wrote:especially when it comes to people from Europe, who share the same values and so on. That's one of the reasons why I don't understand why countries like UK limited the number of Bulgarian an Romanian immigrants, but continue to receive immigration from Africa, Asia and so on.
AndreiB wrote:from 30 classmates of me, only 12 are still living in the country, the rest of them are in France, Germany, Russia, Israel and so on.
Johanna wrote:Levo wrote:Johanna wrote:... but as a comparison I live on social security, something that's calculated to just cover your basic needs in this society, and get about 130 SEK (€16) a day on top of getting my rent (including heat and water), electricity, insurance, dental and medical bills paid, and I can apply for extra money if there's something bigger I really need.
Oh my God, it sounds like a dream-society! It's much more a full-time worker can afford over here.
I don't have much trouble keeping within budget, but it's because I buy less than I'm "supposed" to, like the fact that most of my clothes are more than 5 years old, and what isn't, except for socks and knickers, I got from my sister or mother because they didn't fit them any more but they fit me. And that I only use 2 ordinary bras and two sport ones since I gained some weight and most of the ones I have are too small (still keep them in case I lose that weight again though, so that I won't have to buy new ones).
Or that I have actually only bought two pieces of furniture in my entire flat, that I don't own a TV, and that I won't start paying the TV fee for my internet connection until they ask me to (yeah, we have to pay for that now too, not just an actual TV, but if you get caught you just have to start paying from that date, nothing retroactively and no charges), and that I now have an activity 3 days a week (to help me recover from my depression) where I can eat breakfast or dinner so that means some less money spent on food.
And I don't have any mortgage or other debts (those aren't covered, so if you have any of those you're definitely in the shit if you're on social security), which also helps a lot.
Johanna wrote:By the way, how much does the average Hungarian spend on food for a week?
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