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Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
meidei wrote:Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
I know it boils down to this. But I want to see how far people will go before admitting it.
Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
Tenebrarum wrote:Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
I think it's religion combined with the fact that Turkey's a rising economic and military power - populous too - which is quite unsettling for a lot of Europeans. And from a practical viewpoint, it would be much harder for the EU to force its values on Turkey than some small, weak country like Bosnia or Albania.
Cyprus Population Census 2001 wrote:Population by religion ( % )
Christian Orthodox 94,8
Armenian 0,3
Maronite 0,6
Roman Catholic 1,5
Moslem 0,6
Church of England 1,0
Other / Not stated 1,3
Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
But what about Bosnia and Albania? I know they're not in the EU (yet), but I think their hypothetical admission wouldn't raise as much of a brouhaha as Turkey's.
Tenebrarum wrote:I think it's religion combined with the fact that Turkey's a rising economic and military power - populous too - which is quite unsettling for a lot of Europeans. And from a practical viewpoint, it would be much harder for the EU to force its values on Turkey than some small, weak country like Bosnia or Albania.
Marah wrote:Garethw87 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Religion
That's probably the real reason why
That's what people mean when they say they don't really belong to Europe culturally. Europe is culturally Judeo-Christian even though there are many atheists nowadays.
Marah wrote:It's also the fact that if Turkey was accepted its number of deputies would be second, just after Germany, given that it's calculated according to the number of inhabitants. That's a lot for a country that is not that European by all standards (economical, cultural, societal, etc)
Garethw87 wrote:That's a good point. But at the same time, the likes of Germany, UK and France wouldn't have much trouble standing their ground against any country that is 'unsettling' to Europe. Turkey would be good for the EU i'd imagine. Money, people, and better connections and ties with the arab world maybe... But with the whole religion thing standing in the way I doubt it will happen anytime soon. Personally though I don't consider Turkey as European
"If it were not part of Italy, Calabria would be a failed state," one cable began, noting that the 'ndrangheta's drug trafficking, extortion and money laundering activities accounted for at least 3 per cent of Italy's gross domestic product.
TeneReef wrote:Crime & Security...
Southern Italy is more lawless than Eastern Turkey...And there's mafia:
TeneReef wrote:As for corruption, it wasn't important at all in the Romanian and in the Bulgarian case...Brussels didn't say anything and let them in...
Minorities...Hungarian minority in Romania is discriminated against, but it did not matter. Brussels didn't care...The position of Roma people in Romania and Bulgaria is far worse than the position of Kurds in Turkey, yet Brussels didn't care.
TeneReef wrote:Turkish economy is in a better shape than Italian, Spanish, Portuguese...
Tenebrarum wrote:Turkey might not resemble Spain or Italy, but it sure looks similar to Greece, Cyprus and Balkan countries to me (especially Albania). Or should I say it's largely the other way around - those cultures have traces of Turkish-ness due to Ottoman influence?
Satsuma wrote:brouhaha
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