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What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-05, 13:57

Eskimos in Canada are using an unique language and handwriting. For example here: http://www.firstair.ca/pigiarniq/install.html. Can I find here something about this language ?

EDIT1: Ok , I already know that this language call pigiarniq, but what about grammar?
EDIT2: This language call Inuktitut...Can I search somewhere something about it? I only found this website :http://nac.nu.ca/publications_for_sale#3 There are some textbooks and audio cassettes there, but I would like better something free from internet...


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Re: What language is it ?

Postby Tukkumminnguaq » 2009-05-06, 10:23

grense-jakobselv wrote:Eskimos in Canada are using an unique language and handwriting. For example here: http://www.firstair.ca/pigiarniq/install.html. Can I find here something about this language ?

EDIT1: Ok , I already know that this language call pigiarniq, but what about grammar?
EDIT2: This language call Inuktitut...Can I search somewhere something about it? I only found this website :http://nac.nu.ca/publications_for_sale#3 There are some textbooks and audio cassettes there, but I would like better something free from internet...


thanks


This Inuktitut writing is Canadian Syllabary. using in Nunavut and Nunavik only
My dialect not like Inuktitut grammar but some understand them

U can using www.livingdictionary.com is general inuit dialects and words

or www.tusaalanga.com is audio, grammar in South Baffin dialects
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-06, 14:47

Hi,

thank you, but the second link don't work. Could you say me at least something about Inuktitut?

EDIT1: I think the second link is http://www.tusaalanga.ca

EDIT2: OK, I know something about grammar, now :D Are big differences in Nunavut dialects?

EDIT3:

I try to write a basic Inuktitut grammar course:

The word and sentence : root + affix , examples:

aullaq= to leave , aullaqtunga = I leave. It means aullaq- is the root and -tunga is the affix.

I = -tunga
You = -tutit
He, She, It = tuq
We = ?
You = ?
They = -tut

What does " aullaqtut " mean? == they leave
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby Tukkumminnguaq » 2009-05-06, 22:59

grense-jakobselv wrote:Hi,

thank you, but the second link don't work. Could you say me at least something about Inuktitut?

EDIT1: I think the second link is http://www.tusaalanga.ca

EDIT2: OK, I know something about grammar, now :D Are big differences in Nunavut dialects?

EDIT3:

I try to write a basic Inuktitut grammar course:

The word and sentence : root + affix , examples:

aullaq= to leave , aullaqtunga = I leave. It means aullaq- is the root and -tunga is the affix.

I = -tunga
You = -tutit
He, She, It = tuq
We = ?
You = ?
They = -tut

What does " aullaqtut " mean? == they leave


Ooh my bad mistake website i forgot about it lol

Yes that correct,

with consonant:
-tunga (past/present or -punga (present/future) (aullaqtunga, aullaqpunga)
-tutit, putit
-tuq, puq
-tugut, pugut (we)
-tusi, pusi (you all)
-tut, put (they, our)

(Singular)
aullaqtunga
aullaqtutit
aullaqtuq

(Dual)
aullaqtuguk
aullaqtutik
aullaqtuk

(Plural)
aullaqtugut
aullaqtusi
aullaqtut


vowels:
-junga, vunga
-jutit, vutit
-juq, vuq
-jugut, vugut
-jusi, vusi
-jut, vut


Well Inuit has 16 dialects (Inupiaq has 4 dialect, Canadian Inuit has 9 dialects and Greenland has 3 dialects total 16 dialects)

Inuktitut is more like english word order but other more like reverse, switches OSV/SOV

"I need a pillow and blanket"
Pijumajunga akisirmik qipiinnillu (Inuktitut)
want/need-I pillow-mod blanket-and

Akiniglu uligmiglu pisuktuami (Inuvialuktun)
Pillow-and blanket-and want/need-I

Akinmik qipingmiglu piyumayunga (Inuinnaqtun)
Pillow-mod blanket-and want/need-I

Akisimmik qipimmillu piumavunga (Kalaallisut)
Pillow-mod blanket-and want/need-I
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-07, 18:41

Thank you very much. I'm going a little bit study, now... :D

EDIT1: could you recommend me any other e-textbook? The tusaalanga inuktitut is good, but it is difficult. For example in first lesson in vocabulary is the sentence : I would like water(imirumajunga), but in grammar is nothing about it.... I would like better a clasical textbook instead.

EDIT2: I'm reading in 1st lesson that "aullaq" means "to leave" and in 3th lesson the verb to leave is calling "ani" ?! Why?
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Postby Tukkumminnguaq » 2009-05-08, 2:49

grense-jakobselv wrote:Thank you very much. I'm going a little bit study, now... :D

EDIT1: could you recommend me any other e-textbook? The tusaalanga inuktitut is good, but it is difficult. For example in first lesson in vocabulary is the sentence : I would like water(imirumajunga), but in grammar is nothing about it.... I would like better a clasical textbook instead.

EDIT2: I'm reading in 1st lesson that "aullaq" means "to leave" and in 3th lesson the verb to leave is calling "ani" ?! Why?



Oh aw, there isnt any. but i suggest you will read "Inuit uqausiqatigiit (Inuit languages and dialects)" its called book by Jacque dorais their has grammar and history etc
but i can help you for Inuktitut or other Inuit dialects (kalaallisut, inupiaq, etc) if u want

Ha, aullaq- means "leaving, depart, goes away. gone, left" and ani- means "go out, exists"
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-08, 15:27

Amaqqut wrote:
i can help you for Inuktitut or other Inuit dialects (kalaallisut, inupiaq, etc) if u want



OK, thank you, I'd like.

Also I'm only interesting in Inuktitut. I'm going to prepare first lesson,now.

PS: If you want, Ican learn you czech language in return for it. :shock: :D

EDIT1:

Lesson One

Vocabulary:


And, big, but, car, dog, garage, garden, house, I am, in, it, it is, large, lesson, my, new, nice, no, old, one, rich, small, that, the, this, very, yes, your

Grammar:

0. Preamble : The vocables are creating with : root + affix

1. Negative (It is creating with the affix -nngit ?)

2. I = -tunga, you = -tutit, he/she/it = -tuq, we= -tugut, you all = -tusi, they = -tut

These affixes apply to present tense?

3. Singular and plural:

How does it create? You use vocabularies from this lesson, please.

4. Demonstratives:

this house, this garden, this car

that house, that garden that car

these houses, these gardens, these cars

those houses, those gardens, those cars

A short text:

Mr Mitch is rich

John: Is it your name?
Mr Mitch: Yes, it is. This is my house. This is my garden and that's my dog Harry.

John: You are rich, Mr Mitch.
Mr Mitch: Oh no, I'm not. The garden isn't large, and the house is small and very old.

John : But your car's new. It's nice and it's big.
Mr Mitch: This isn't my ca. My old car's in the garage.

And that's all in fist lesson :wink: Thanks
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby Tukkumminnguaq » 2009-05-08, 20:31

Inuit dont have "the' but -mik-

Words / affixes
amma / -lu 'and'
angijuq / -juaq- 'big'
kisiani / -li- 'but'
uvanga / -tunga-, -junga-, vunga, punga 'I am'
iluani / -mi-, -ni- 'in'
una / -tuq-, juq,vuq, puq 'it/it is'
angijuaaluk / -aluk-, -pak/vak, -llaluk- -juaaluk- 'large'
uvanga / -ga-, -ra- 'my'
pitsiaqtuq, pinnaqtuq / -tsiaq-, -gik/rik- 'nice'
nauk, aakka, iiq / -nngit- 'no,not'
pituqaq, nutaanngittuq / -tuqaq- 'old'
nutaaq / -taaq- 'new'
mikijuq / -rjuk-, -naaq-, -araq- 'little'
aksuaaluk / -aaluk- -tuaq- 'very'
igvit / -t-, -tit-, -git/rit- 'your'

nunakkuurut = car
qimmiq = dog
aksaluutiqarvik = garage
piruqsivik = garden
iglu = house
ilinniaraksat = lesson
atausiq = one
ak&uittuq = rich
taamna = that
una = this
ii = yes

1. yes using -nngit- and -iq- and -nak-

2. well depends for elder and young are mix using it present tense and future tense
they knows what is -tunga- -tutit- -tuq- etc is 'present tense/past tense'
they sometimes using it and tunga/vunga/punga/junga is present tense but
junga/vunga is with vowels (a,i, u) and tunga/punga is with consonant(p, k, q, t, etc)

3. singular / dual / plural
- / -k / -t
inuk / inuuk / inuit 'human beings'
tulugaq / tulukkak / tulukkat 'raven' (-g- change -kk- for dual/plural)
amaruq / amaqquk / amaqqut 'wolf' (-r- change -qq- for dual/plural)
uqausiq / uqautsik / uqautsit 'word/language' (-s- change -ts-)
nujaq / nutsak / nutsat 'hair/hairs' (-j- change -ts-)
iqaluk / iqalluk / iqaluit 'fish'
nagjuk / nagjuuk / nagjuit 'antler'
qajaq / qajjak / qajjat 'Kayak'
puvak / puvvak / puvait 'lung'
tupiq / tuppak / tupqit 'tent' (tupiq change plural tupqit for ending -q- metathesis pq from piq)
atiq / attak / atqit 'name'
umik / ummak / umngit 'beard' (umik change plural umngit ending -ngit- from -k-, k change ng)
mimiq / mimmak / mimngit 'rump'
kamik / kammak / kamngit 'inuit's boot'
tuktu / tuktuk / tuktut 'caribou'
kanajuq / kanajjuk / kanajjut 'sculpin'
igliraq / igliqqak / igliqqat 'shrimp'

4.

Una iglu this house, una piruqsivik this garden, una nunakkuurut this car

taamna iglu that house, taamna piruqsivik that garden, taamna nunakkuurut that car

tamajja iglut (iglungit) these houses, tamajja piruqsiviit (piruqsiviingit) these gardens, tamajja nunakkuurutit (nunakkuurungit) these cars

ukkua iglut (iglutput) those houses, ukkua piruqsiviit (piruqsiviitput) those gardens, ukkua nunakkuurutit (nunakkuurutitput) those cars



Mr Mitch is rich
Mr Mitsi ak&uittuq

John: Is it your name?
Mr Mitch: Yes, it is. This is my house. This is my garden and that's my dog Harry.

Jani: Una atirit?
Mr Mitsi: Ii, Una. Una igluga. Una piruqsiviga amma taamna Haali qimmira.


John: You are rich, Mr Mitch.
Mr Mitch: Oh no, I'm not. The garden isn't large, and the house is small and very old.

Jani: Ak&uittutit, Mr Mitsi.
Mr Mitsi: Naungmiik, Naunngittunga, Piruqsivingmik angijuaalunngittuq, amma Iglumik mikijuq pituqaqtuarlu.

John : But your car's new. It's nice and it's big.
Mr Mitch: This isn't my ca. My old car's in the garage.

Jani: Kisiani Nunakkuurutiptit nutaaq. Pitsiaqtuq angijurlu
Mr Mitsi: Una nunakkuurutiganngittuq. Aksaluutiqarvingni nunakkuurutiga pituqaqtuq
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-09, 9:50

Thanks, I'll be to study, now.... :D


EDIT1:

Questions:

I tried to create a few collocation. Here, there are:

iglujuaq = big house

iglujuaq qimmiqlu = big house and a dog

uvangajunga qimmiq = I'm a dog :)

nunakkuurutga - my car

uvanganngittunga qimmiq = I'm not a dog
uvangaiqtunga qimmiq = I'm not a dog
uvanganaktunga qimmiq = I'm not a dog

Are also -nngit- , -iq- , -nak- same?


Ad 3.(Singular , dual , plural)


I see one raven(tulugaq)
I see two ravens(tulukkak)
I see three,four... ravens(tulukkat)

Is it right?

And now, I took some words but I don't see any similarity in the formation of these words.

ROOT + AFFIX

a lung

Singular : puv -ak
Dual : puv -vak
Plural : puv -nit


a name

at -iq
at -tak
at -qit

a shrimp

igli -raq
igli -qqak
igli -qqat

Is there any regulator or are there always the affixes diffrent ?

Ad 2.

Also are uvangajunga and uvangapunga same ?



That's all, thanks for reply. And don't you want to record your voice with pronounce of the vocables and the short text from first lesson, too? because I'm not sure with the pronounce of the vocables... We could create a small textbook of Inuit language..
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby grense-jakobselv » 2009-05-15, 12:21

Are you there Amaqqut ??? :?: :?: :?:
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Re: What language is it ?

Postby Tukkumminnguaq » 2009-05-15, 18:47

Sorry, i dont noticed you has other edit


iglurjuaq = big house

iglurjuaq qimmirlu = big house and a dog

Qimmiuvunga = I'm a dog :)

nunakkuurutiga - my car
nunakkuurutikka "my two cars"
nunakkuurutitka "my many cars"

Qimmiunngitsunga = I'm not a dog

No, nngit is more use for 'dont/not, no' , i/iq is privation, negation, no need for it, nak is 'while not'

I see one raven(tulugaq)
I see two ravens(tulukkak)
I see three,four... ravens(tulukkat)

Yes, tulugaq takuvara "I see [one] raven"
tulukkak takuvara
tulukkat takuvara

a lung

Singular : puv -ak
Dual : puv -vak
Plural : puv -ait


a name

at -iq
at -tak
at -qit

a shrimp

igli -raq
igli -qqak
igli -qqat

Is there any regulator or are there always the affixes diffrent ?



If regulator would be "Tulugaq atausiq" = one raven
Tulukkak malruuk "Two ravens"
Tulukkat pingasut "three ravens"
Tulukkat sitamat "four ravens"
if plural is tulukkat

No, you dont need "Uvangajunga or uvangavunga", you would need "uvanga" for free order and -junga for roots with compound

if you say "Uvangauvunga" means "I am myself"


That's all, thanks for reply. And don't you want to record your voice with pronounce of the vocables and the short text from first lesson, too? because I'm not sure with the pronounce of the vocables... We could create a small textbook of Inuit language..


LOL i dont know how my voice talk but let u know im Deaf but i will try ask my relatives/friends let them speak record of inuit pronounce
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[̲̅̅N̲̅][̲̅̅o̲̅][̲̅̅b̲̅][̲̅̅o̲̅][̲̅̅d̲̅][̲̅̅y̲̅] [̲̅̅K̲̅][̲̅̅n̲̅][̲̅̅o̲̅][̲̅̅w̲̅][̲̅̅s̲̅][̲̅̅.̲̅] [̲̅̅L̲̅][̲̅̅i̲̅][̲̅̅f̲̅][̲̅̅e̲̅] [̲̅̅A̲̅][̲̅̅s̲̅] [̲̅̅T̲̅][̲̅̅h̲̅][̲̅̅e̲̅][̲̅̅y̲̅] [̲̅̅K̲̅][̲̅̅n̲̅][̲̅̅o̲̅][̲̅̅w̲̅] [̲̅̅I̲̅][̲̅̅t̲̅][̲̅̅.̲̅]

johnH

Re: What language is it ?

Postby johnH » 2010-11-19, 9:41

(‹'O—O›)· I’m reading let me take a pencil and write this all down. :yep:
Ahh….


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