Tatar (tatarça)/Crimean Tatar (Qırımtatarca}

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Tatar (tatarça)/Crimean Tatar (Qırımtatarca}

Postby Timpul » 2008-01-22, 20:51

Merabañız!
Don't y'all think they are interesting!? :) I'm curious what are the main differences between them. Does anyone know some resources (especially in English)?

I've started to read Crimean Tatar Wikipedia and this language seems to be beautiful. Suprisingly, Tatar doesn't (maybe it's because of the f*cked up ortography :D). Have you ever wanted to know some Tatar? :P Or maybe you have some ancestors of Tatar origin (my father claims that the grandfather of my grandmother was a Crimean Tatar but I don't believe :))?

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Postby Axiom » 2008-01-22, 21:57

There is a thread about Tatar already:
http://home.unilang.org/main/forum/view ... c&start=15

I found a couple of links, but i think there is no sense in posting them them since everything is in Russian. However, there is some music of the Crimean Tatars:
http://qirimmuzik.narod.ru/index_eng.htm

Some English-Tatar dictionary (it doesn't seem to have even the simpliest words, though)
http://agidel.virtualave.net/frame.html

Something to read in Tatar (with the Russian translation after every sentence):
http://www.franklang.ru/Tukay_Tales_M.pdf
http://www.franklang.ru/Gadel_Kutuj_Hatlar_M.pdf
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Re: Tatar (tatarça)/Crimean Tatar (Qırımtatarca}

Postby deardron » 2008-01-28, 15:11

Timpul wrote:Have you ever wanted to know some Tatar? :P Or maybe you have some ancestors of Tatar origin (my father claims that the grandfather of my grandmother was a Crimean Tatar but I don't believe :))?

Be careful and do not mix Tatar with Crimean Tatar, because it's 2 different languages. In the Russian Empire most of Turkic languages/nationalities were called tatars, but later in the Soviet time their authentic names were adopted. The only exception that is still misleading is the following group of different peoples: Volga Tatars (or simply Tatars), Siberian Tatars and Crimean Tatars. Their languages do certainly belong to the Turkic family of languages, but are not so closely connected.

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Postby Timpul » 2008-01-28, 20:10

Aye. I know :)

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Postby seytan » 2008-01-30, 16:54

Their languages do certainly belong to the Turkic family of languages, but are not so closely connected.
I would be careful with saying so, because both Tatar and Crimean-Tatar languages belongs to the same language group (see Talat Tekin and "A New Classification of the Turkic Languages") - X - tawlï (Kipchak); however to differ them we need more phonetic features (there are also other, less similar languages, e.g. Kazakh); 1. The treatment of the o vowel in the first syllable 2. Treatment of the phoneme š. Take the root of the verb qoš- (to unite) - in Crimean-Tatar it will look like quš- and in Tatar qoš-; which bridges Tatar from Crimean-Tatar and makes the latter similar to Kumuk or Karachay-Balkar; while Tatar to Bashkir. If you are interested about mentioned Kazakh - it will create the third subgroup with qos-.

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Postby Taosu » 2008-02-05, 20:45

Isenmesez!

Hi. Please help me translate the following phrase into Tatar:

I have no idea what's written here.

I'm sorry if this is against the rules, but I think I should also write my request in Russian (my native language) as I suppose people in this thread may know it. This may be a bit closer to what I mean.

Ума не приложу, что тут написано.

Both in Cyrillic and Latin alphabet, if possible. Thank you.


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