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Bjarn wrote:The band Hedningarna, their vocalist makes his Rs like that. Though, I am not sure where exactly they are from.
0stsee wrote:Hej!
I read that in the South of Sweden you use the German (or French?) R.
0stsee wrote:Also that unlike its neighboring Norway or Denmark, Swedish has a Standard Pronunciation, comparable to RP or the German Bühnenaussprache.
0stsee wrote:My question is if there is a tendency to move towards the standard prounciation in the South of Sweden, like the younger you are, the less likely will you use "French"-R or say di instead of dom.
0stsee wrote:Or do even young people cling to this pronunciation?
Hunef wrote:The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.
Hunef wrote:I don't think many young southerners use the dialectal di these days, but their special r is probably at least common as the special "thick" l which exists with a complementary distribution in Sweden, i.e. north of the red line in the map above.
0stsee wrote:In Norway, from what I remembered, it is also that people who skarrer, usually don't use tjukk-L.
Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.
But "dom" is standard in pronunciation.
0stsee wrote:I was considering getting used to tongue-R, but if even some Swedes themselves use French-R, why should I change mine.
0stsee wrote:Hunef wrote:I don't think many young southerners use the dialectal di these days, but their special r is probably at least common as the special "thick" l which exists with a complementary distribution in Sweden, i.e. north of the red line in the map above.
Do you mean Swedish also has a sort of L similar to Norwegian tjukk-L?
0stsee wrote:In Norway, from what I remembered, it is also that people who skarrer, usually don't use tjukk-L.
Hunef wrote:Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.
But "dom" is standard in pronunciation.
No, you're dead wrong here. It's certainly the most common pronounciation, but I wouldn't call it standard. The standard pronounciation is de, no doubt.
Själv klart, yttersida av Sverige, man är lärt till, att dom är hur att säga det. Jag vill ju använda det som detDingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.
But "dom" is standard in pronunciation.
No, you're dead wrong here. It's certainly the most common pronounciation, but I wouldn't call it standard. The standard pronounciation is de, no doubt.
Anyone using "de" would come off as pretentious, and I would be surprised if anyone has it as their most natural pronunciation. Even in very formal contexts, "dom" is the most common.
Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.
But "dom" is standard in pronunciation.
No, you're dead wrong here. It's certainly the most common pronounciation, but I wouldn't call it standard. The standard pronounciation is de, no doubt.
Anyone using "de" would come off as pretentious, and I would be surprised if anyone has it as their most natural pronunciation. Even in very formal contexts, "dom" is the most common.
Hunef wrote:Dingbats wrote:Anyone using "de" would come off as pretentious, and I would be surprised if anyone has it as their most natural pronunciation. Even in very formal contexts, "dom" is the most common.
You are absolutely right. But it is still wrong to call dom "standard". It won't be standard until the day we throw away de and dem and replace them by dom in writing. Do you think such a reformation would be good?
Dingbats wrote:Hunef wrote:Dingbats wrote:Anyone using "de" would come off as pretentious, and I would be surprised if anyone has it as their most natural pronunciation. Even in very formal contexts, "dom" is the most common.
You are absolutely right. But it is still wrong to call dom "standard". It won't be standard until the day we throw away de and dem and replace them by dom in writing. Do you think such a reformation would be good?
I'm indifferent to that. But I don't think it's wrong to call the pronunciation "dom" standard just because we write "de" and "dem".
Hunef wrote:0stsee wrote:Hej!
I read that in the South of Sweden you use the German (or French?) R.
Correct. This r is used south of the red line in the map below:The blue line marks the northern border of the so called "Geatic Rule", i.e., the southern r may exist conditioned - it may appear word initially (e.g. rot 'root') and long between vowels (e.g. skorra 'to burr'), but never otherwise (e.g. skåra 'cut', borr 'drill' etc.).0stsee wrote:Also that unlike its neighboring Norway or Denmark, Swedish has a Standard Pronunciation, comparable to RP or the German Bühnenaussprache.
This holds for Denmark too where the Copenhagen form of Danish is the standard.0stsee wrote:My question is if there is a tendency to move towards the standard prounciation in the South of Sweden, like the younger you are, the less likely will you use "French"-R or say di instead of dom.
The word dom is just as dialectal as di. The standard word is de 'they'/dem 'them'.0stsee wrote:Or do even young people cling to this pronunciation?
I don't think many young southerners use the dialectal di these days, but their special r is probably at least common as the special "thick" l which exists with a complementary distribution in Sweden, i.e. north of the red line in the map above.
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