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maxcrylov wrote:1. Judging from what I read, b, d and g are pronounced in Estonian in an unvoiced way. Does this mean that they're absolutely equal to p, t and k and can't be distinguished from each other?
maxcrylov wrote:By the way, judging from what I see myself, b, d and g are used almost exclusively in the borrowed words. Is that true?
maxcrylov wrote:Is it THAT BAD if I go on speaking with two grades, as in Finnish or Hungarian?
maxcrylov wrote:Is there any rule in adding the vowel in genitive? Or it's random?
maxcrylov wrote:is there any link between genitive and accusative? Or technically one should memorize three case forms?
Loiks wrote:example word: Maks
maxcrylov wrote:Where the hell did the last p go?!
Ada H. wrote:maxcrylov wrote:Where the hell did the last p go?!
Well, it's this nasty Finno-Ugric (or even Uralic) thing called gradation.
muhaha wrote:Ada H. wrote:maxcrylov wrote:Where the hell did the last p go?!
Well, it's this nasty Finno-Ugric (or even Uralic) thing called gradation.
Is it really "Finno-Ugric" feature, instead of Balto-Finnic or Finno-Samic? The Nganasan gradation might be a separate change.
The main rule in Balto-Finnic languages is close syllable: weak grade, open syllable: strong grade (meaning the last syllable). This may not work in Estonian because of other sound changes.
Closed syllable ends in a consonant.
Levo wrote:to learn some Finnish words at grammar lessons
Levo wrote:Hmm, you made be to be curious. I am Hungarian. Here we must learn Hungarian grammar for 12 years at school and we also have to learn some Finnish words at grammar lessons and of course we learn Kalevala at grade 5th in primary school. But we haven't spoken too much about the origin of gradiation!
Now that I have already learnt some Finnish and a bit Estonian I can see that our: kő (kivi) when gradiates to köv- (követ - partitivus) than it is similar to the Estonian and Finnish word: kiv/kivi
Ada H. wrote:Levo wrote:to learn some Finnish words at grammar lessons
This might be useful then: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Swadesh_lists_for_Finno-Ugric_languages
Levo wrote:Ada H. wrote:Levo wrote:to learn some Finnish words at grammar lessons
This might be useful then: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Swadesh_lists_for_Finno-Ugric_languages
Thanks a lot! It is really useful. Though such boards only makes stronger the feeling in Hungarians that we are really weird alone with our language
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