True false friends 2

[linguoboy]

metal brass [in a musical context]
metal

I'm currently editing an article translated rather too literally from the Spanish and I was confused by the line "participating only with metals and keyboards" until I realised the original was "participando solo con metales y teclados".

[Linguaphile]

indoctrinated taught to accept a set of beliefs without questioning them; brainwashed
indoctrinado uneducated, lacking education, ignorant ("indoctrinated" is adoctrinado)

[linguoboy]

xocolatina chocolate bar; bonbon
chocolatine pain au chocolat

[Linguaphile]

xocolatina chocolate bar; bonbon
chocolatine pain au chocolat

chocolatina chocolate bar (=tableta de chocolate)
chocolatín chocolate bar (=tableta de chocolate)
chocolatín pain au chocolat (=napolitana de chocolate)

And then there are Chocolatines made by Gamesa (Mexican cookie company), which are basically a marshmallow ball on a chocolate wafer, dipped in chocolate and covered with peanuts.

[Linguaphile]

experiment
experimentado experienced, seasoned
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to experience, to undergo, to feel
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to try, to attempt

practically
prácticamente (1) practically; (2) through practice

[Linguaphile]

Pope
pope Eastern Orthodox priest

[OldBoring]

experiment
experimentado experienced, seasoned
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to experience, to undergo, to feel
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to try, to attempt

What surprised me is that in Portuguese experimentar can also be used to mean "to taste, to try food or beverages".
I am confused by the last two, cause the meanings are not too different, but when thinking better I'd say that Italian sperimentare is like Spanish.

practically
prácticamente (1) practically; (2) through practice
practicamente basically

xocolatina chocolate bar; bonbon
chocolatine pain au chocolat
chocolatina chocolate bar (=tableta de chocolate)
chocolatín chocolate bar (=tableta de chocolate)
chocolatín pain au chocolat (=napolitana de chocolate)

And then there are Chocolatines made by Gamesa (Mexican cookie company), which are basically a marshmallow ball on a chocolate wafer, dipped in chocolate and covered with peanuts.

cioccolatino chocolate bonbon
Pain au chocolat is fagottino in Italian.

[Dormouse559]

experiment
experimentado experienced, seasoned
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to experience, to undergo, to feel
experimentar (1) to experiment, to try out; (2) to try, to attempt

What surprised me is that in Portuguese experimentar can also be used to mean "to taste, to try food or beverages".
I am confused by the last two, cause the meanings are not too different, but when thinking better I'd say that Italian sperimentare is like Spanish.

French is like Spanish in this case, and I can say the "experience" meaning for expérimenter takes getting used to for an English speaker. We express "experience" with, well, "experience". "Experiment" is treated as an unconnected verb with its own semantic space.

[linguoboy]

gosses kids
gosses bollocks
gosses husks, shells

[Linguaphile]

permanence state of remaining unchanged indefinitely; everlasting quality
permanencia (1) state of remaining unchanged indefinitely; everlasting quality; (2) stay; visit; sojourn (3) term; tenure; duration i.e. de corta permanencia = short-term, short-lived

[oho]

practically
prácticamente (1) practically; (2) through practice
practicamente basically

[linguoboy]

avuncular
onkelhaft

This one is interesting to me because it's a difference of connotation rather than denotation (doubtless stemming from different cultural stereotypes around the behaviour of uncles). Duden labels onkelhaft as "meist abwertend" ("usually pejorative") and says, yes, it means "kindly" but also "gönnerhaft [und herablassend]" ("patronising [and condescending]").

This makes me wonder if the meaning of English "avuncular" might vary according to dialect.

[Linguaphile]

avarii crash, accident
avería breakdown, failure

I know I've posted this one before in a different thread but it got me again: hearing about someone who had frequent "averías" on a long trip and my immediate thought was that they had gotten into a lot of car accidents (!), when actually the car kept breaking down. Neither is a good situation but having frequent breakdowns on a long trip with an old car is a lot more understandable than having a lot of car accidents along the way.

[linguoboy]

This one is really embarrassing. Today I was doing some authority work on Welsh musicians and I was puzzled by the fact that a brass band from Anglesey was referred to as both "Seindorf Beaumaris Band" and just "Beaumaris Band". Beaumaris is the name of the town where it is based and Seindorf, well, I assumed it was a personal name like "Waldorf" and that, at some point in the past, there must have been a rich benefactor of German or German-Jewish origin who endowed the band.

Turns out, "seindorf" is just an older term for "band", a native compound formed from sain "sound" and torf "crowd" (cognate with Latin turba) which shows up in the proper names of other longstanding musical groups in Wales.

[Dormouse559]

It was mentioned last year that "notorious" has negative connotations in English while its Romance cognates are neutral/positive. I happened upon another set of this kind of false friend:

egregious - especially bad; conspicuous
/ egregio - distingished, illustrious

[OldBoring]

I may consider myself lucky for having never written "Egregious Sir" (egregio signore in Italian) in my life...

[Linguaphile]

Basically the issue here is that this word is much less often used figuratively in English (where by "figuratively" I mean "not pertaining to literal nerve pain") and when it is used figuratively in English, it is with a consistently negative meaning. It is therefore a false friend for English speakers when used with meaning (2) in the other languages, even more so when meaning (2) is meant to have a neutral or positive connotation.

neuralgic (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) causing or feeling very strong, painful emotions
neurálgico (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) decisive, crucial, central
neuràlgic (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) decisive, crucial, central
névralgique (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) decisive, crucial, central
nevrálgico, neurálgico (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) decisive, crucial, central
nevralgico, neuralgico (1) pertaining to neuralgia (severe pain along a nerve) (2) decisive, crucial, central

[h34]

å være sosial
= to be sociable

sozial sein/handeln
= to be socially minded, to act in a socially conscious or public-spirited way

Corona-related examples:
Vær sosial, men hold avstand.
= Be sosial, but keep the distance.
Sei sozial, halte Abstand.
= Be sozial; (thus) keep the distance.

[linguoboy]

noia girl
noia drug addict, crazie

[Osias]

I always thought there was an accent on the o. Rules for graphic accents on the second to last syllables are the worst.