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Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:I just read an article about this saying that Trump will be president no matter what
and that the voting system is very unfair because each state has two representatives, so a state with very little people has the same power as a state with lots of people.
Do Democrats in the USA even feel they have a chance these days? Are you worried about this system?
linguoboy wrote:
Right now, most voters’ greatest fears are that Republicans will try to steal the elections somehow. There are already lots of shenanigans afoot and it’s possible we may never know how certain states actually voted. (Keep an eye on Florida particularly, where the Republican governor is sure to put his finger on the scale for Trump.) This will add to the postelectoral confusion and chaos, but I don’t think it’s enough to really change the result—that’s how badly Trump is losing right now.
It was designed to prevent an urban elite from dominating the rural population but the designers probably never foresaw a future in which more than 90% of the US population was urban.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:This was what the article actually was about. I should have included a link: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achter ... ~bbf38f9c/
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:It was designed to prevent an urban elite from dominating the rural population but the designers probably never foresaw a future in which more than 90% of the US population was urban.
This is very interesting! Now I understand the background better of why they designed it like this.
linguoboy wrote:Of course the fact that he could still win at all is a problem
The unrepresentative nature of the Senate is a major problem in American politics. It was designed to prevent an urban elite from dominating the rural population but the designers probably never foresaw a future in which more than 90% of the US population was urban.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How in general do they know how much inhabitants there are, how many people are married and stuff like that? Are there decentral registrations?
According to census.gov, 19.3% of the US population is rural: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ ... erica.htmllinguoboy wrote:It was designed to prevent an urban elite from dominating the rural population but the designers probably never foresaw a future in which more than 90% of the US population was urban.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:What I didn't know was that there is no central registration of people, that you need to be registered for voting first. How in general do they know how much inhabitants there are, how many people are married and stuff like that? Are there decentral registrations?
Gormur wrote:According to census.gov, 19.3% of the US population is rural: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ ... erica.html
About 60 million people, or one in five Americans, live in rural America.
linguoboy wrote:There are real fears this year that in states with Republican administrations, absentee ballots won't be counted at all if the in-person total points to a Trump win, since most preliminary data show registered Democrats are voting by mail at about twice the rate as registered Republicans.
vijayjohn wrote:Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How in general do they know how much inhabitants there are, how many people are married and stuff like that? Are there decentral registrations?
Wait, you mean the Netherlands doesn't have a census?
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How in general do they know how much inhabitants there are, how many people are married and stuff like that? Are there decentral registrations?
Wait, you mean the Netherlands doesn't have a census?
No, we have the 'Basisregistratie Personen' (BRP). When a child is born the parent who did not give birth goes to the city hall to get the child registered at the BRP. You get a number that you need to get registered for health care, and you need it when you get the child registered for a school and stuff. It just makes you exist, basically, that's why I suspected all other countries would have something similar.
Census reminds me of what Joseph and Maria had to do when their baby came
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How are you feeling there in the USA?
Yasna wrote:Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How are you feeling there in the USA?
Feeling like the entire US polling industry needs to disband.
Yasna wrote:Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:How are you feeling there in the USA?
Feeling like the entire US polling industry needs to disband.
Car wrote:How could this happen again? I really had the impression that nothing was learnt from the last time (or the Brexit referendum, for that matter) and the same mistakes were made again, but I didn't think it would be that bad again.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:I feel really sorry for you all.
Yasna wrote:Car wrote:How could this happen again? I really had the impression that nothing was learnt from the last time (or the Brexit referendum, for that matter) and the same mistakes were made again, but I didn't think it would be that bad again.
From what I can gather, pollsters thought their errors in 2016 could be fixed simply by giving more weight to the responses of white men without a college degree. A leading theory is that what they actually needed to do was correct for "shy" Trump voters, a hypothetical type of voter which votes Trump but doesn't tell pollsters due to social pressures. We'll see though.
Yasna wrote:Car wrote:How could this happen again? I really had the impression that nothing was learnt from the last time (or the Brexit referendum, for that matter) and the same mistakes were made again, but I didn't think it would be that bad again.
From what I can gather, pollsters thought their errors in 2016 could be fixed simply by giving more weight to the responses of white men without a college degree. A leading theory is that what they actually needed to do was correct for "shy" Trump voters, a hypothetical type of voter which votes Trump but doesn't tell pollsters due to social pressures. We'll see though.
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