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Homine.Sardu wrote:Interesting etymologies :
Latin "murex - muricis" (spiral shaped shell)
From this noun the Latin speaking Sardinians coined the verb muricare / murigare / morigare : to mix using a spoon / ladle (with a spiralling motion).
Ashucky wrote:An fascinating etymology I came across a while back is the Slavic word kladivo "hammer" (Slovene, Slovak, Czech, Serbo-Croatian) and its cognate Proto-Celtic *kladiwos "sword". I find it really interesting that the word in the modern Slavic languages is nearly identical to the Proto-Celtic word, while in modern Celtic languages the word has now become claíomh in Irish and cleddyf in Welsh, which do not look related at all anymore (the same Proto-Celtic word also gave Latin gladius and gladiator, via Gaulish).
Saim wrote:According to the Gran diccionari de la llengua catalana, Catalan lleig (ʎet͡ʃ; ugly) comes from Frankish *laid, whence also French laid. The GDLC cites the Old Occitan forms as laid or lag, whereas the Dicod'Òc gives laid (lajt), lèd (lɛt), lag (lat͡ʃ), lèu (lɛw) and lèg (lɛt͡ʃ) for modern varieties of Occitan.
Anyone know if the Frankish word is related to this Germanic root, which also gives Dutch lelijk and English loathsome?
Homine.Sardu wrote:Saim wrote:According to the Gran diccionari de la llengua catalana, Catalan lleig (ʎet͡ʃ; ugly) comes from Frankish *laid, whence also French laid. The GDLC cites the Old Occitan forms as laid or lag, whereas the Dicod'Òc gives laid (lajt), lèd (lɛt), lag (lat͡ʃ), lèu (lɛw) and lèg (lɛt͡ʃ) for modern varieties of Occitan.
Anyone know if the Frankish word is related to this Germanic root, which also gives Dutch lelijk and English loathsome?
A cognate of the Catalan "lleig" exists in Sardinia in the southern Sardinian language (Campidanese), "lèggiu" (ugly), while towards the centre of the island the pronunciation changes to "lezu" (pronounced with "dz"); while in the central-northern Sardinian languages (Nuorese and Logudorese) the word used is "feu", same of Spanish "feo", from Latin "foedus".
Saim wrote:Homine.Sardu wrote:Saim wrote:According to the Gran diccionari de la llengua catalana, Catalan lleig (ʎet͡ʃ; ugly) comes from Frankish *laid, whence also French laid. The GDLC cites the Old Occitan forms as laid or lag, whereas the Dicod'Òc gives laid (lajt), lèd (lɛt), lag (lat͡ʃ), lèu (lɛw) and lèg (lɛt͡ʃ) for modern varieties of Occitan.
Anyone know if the Frankish word is related to this Germanic root, which also gives Dutch lelijk and English loathsome?
A cognate of the Catalan "lleig" exists in Sardinia in the southern Sardinian language (Campidanese), "lèggiu" (ugly), while towards the centre of the island the pronunciation changes to "lezu" (pronounced with "dz"); while in the central-northern Sardinian languages (Nuorese and Logudorese) the word used is "feu", same of Spanish "feo", from Latin "foedus".
Interesting! I guess this is a Catalan loan, although I would've expected the northern part to have more Catalan loans given existence of l'Alguer.
Is the -u an internal development of Sardinian (like, not liking final consonants)? Or did they backtrack from the plural form lletjos (Central Catalan ʎed͡ʒus, although it may have been something else in medieval Catalan).
Saim wrote:Anyone know if the Frankish word is related to this Germanic root, which also gives Dutch lelijk and English loathsome?
linguoboy wrote:I've always wondered why Chinese donuts are colloquially called "fried devils" (油炸鬼 yàuhjagwái) in Cantonese. According to Wikipedia, this is folk etymology. The Hokkien name is "fried pastry" (油炸粿 iû-chiā-kóe) and apparently the element kóe [kue˥˧] is similar enough to Cantonese gwái [kwɐi˧˥] "devil" to cause confusion.
linguoboy wrote:Saim wrote:Anyone know if the Frankish word is related to this Germanic root, which also gives Dutch lelijk and English loathsome?
About halfway down the page, you find a proposed borrowing from Frankish into Vulgar Latin. I'm not sure what the argument is for that rather than a direct borrowing into Gallo-Romance, but I don't know anyone who contests this derivation.
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