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Prowler wrote: As if 20 Afghanis or Syrians could easily invade USA and conquer the entire country...
linguoboy wrote:But the facts are that we know there is less social mobility in the USA than in European social democracies and it continues to decrease. This is reflected in public surveys showing a majority think conditions are getting worse and that the next generation will have a harder time achieving success. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Americans (more than 4 in 5) believe that the American dream exists and that they have or will achieve it.
vijayjohn wrote:linguoboy wrote:But the facts are that we know there is less social mobility in the USA than in European social democracies and it continues to decrease. This is reflected in public surveys showing a majority think conditions are getting worse and that the next generation will have a harder time achieving success. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Americans (more than 4 in 5) believe that the American dream exists and that they have or will achieve it.
But how much social mobility is there in European social democracies? One of the people who told me that the American Dream is still alive is Swedish, and she's had quite a few unflattering things to say about her home country, so I have a sneaking suspicion she may feel that there isn't necessarily any more social mobility there, either (she may even feel that there is less). That might help explain why she sees the US the way she does.
Prowler wrote:I guess the American Dream is basically getting yourself deeply in debt with a credit card by buying things you don't necessarily need or can afford?
linguoboy wrote:Prowler wrote:I guess the American Dream is basically getting yourself deeply in debt with a credit card by buying things you don't necessarily need or can afford?
I thought that was simply late-stage capitalism.
vijayjohn wrote:What does it mean to do capitalism well?
Prowler wrote:USA is probably the best Western nation in the world to live in if you're rich.
Gormur wrote:I do know that bit about farmers coming to get cheap valuable land though. My guess is one doesn't hear about this much. Films don't give a crap about farmers' dreams and aspirations At least not American ones
Gormur wrote:How so? Neither of those deal with the immigrant-experience
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