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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-19, 7:31

księżycowy wrote:What edition do you have?

Fifth, but from the MEGA folder. It has the "How to Use This Guide" part in the table of contents, but doesn't show the actual thing. :roll:

I don't have TYOE.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-19, 10:09

I'll be saying what order we'll do the sections in anyway, so I think you'll be fine. As long as there aren't any other gaps.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-19, 12:53

I just updated the first post with the "assignment" and due date. Please let me know if the due date works for you guys.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-19, 16:31

księżycowy wrote:I'll be saying what order we'll do the sections in anyway, so I think you'll be fine. As long as there aren't any other gaps.

So we're not following the order in the "How to use this guide" section? That order they lay out seems so odd; why structure a book into chapters and an order, but then suggest a different order that skips around?
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-19, 16:32

księżycowy wrote:I just updated the first post with the "assignment" and due date. Please let me know if the due date works for you guys.

That works, but you're changing from Sunday (the 2nd) to Monday (the 3rd)?
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-19, 16:39

I changed my schedule from Sun-Sat to Mon-Sun a while back. :P

And as for skipping around, it's basically in order as far as chapters, it's just that some of the superfluous information is skipped over.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-19, 17:14

księżycowy wrote:I changed my schedule from Sun-Sat to Mon-Sun a while back. :P

Oh, you're one of those! :evil: :twisted: :D

księżycowy wrote:And as for skipping around, it's basically in order as far as chapters, it's just that some of the superfluous information is skipped over.

Do you mean the order in the "how..." section basically does go through in chapter order?
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-19, 17:22

Kind of.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-21, 7:04

I don't see any problems with the due date.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-21, 10:05

Especially concidering you have a shorter reading than me and dEhiN. :P

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-22, 9:25

I'm concidering putting Old English on an indefinite hiatus.

Yes, dEhiN, you've brought me back to my senses. :P

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-22, 16:40

księżycowy wrote:I'm concidering putting Old English on an indefinite hiatus.

Yes, dEhiN, you've brought me back to my senses. :P

Noooooo!!!! I chose OE over Coptic, figuring this group would keep going! (Actually, I anyway have desired to do OE for some time, but it's just that having a study group to go through it with would be so much nicer than on my own.)
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-22, 16:44

Sorry. :(

I'm trying to get things like they were before. Only two new languages at a time. But I'm having difficulty deciding between Japanese and Polish.

Maybe you can switch back to Coptic and we'll do this one sometime next year? :P

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-22, 16:59

księżycowy wrote:Sorry. :(

I'm trying to get things like they were before. Only two new languages at a time. But I'm having difficulty deciding between Japanese and Polish.

Maybe you can switch back to Coptic and we'll do this one sometime next year? :P

Maybe...I'll have to think about it.
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-23, 4:14

dEhiN, you and I could still do Old English together if you like.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-24, 3:07

vijayjohn wrote:dEhiN, you and I could still do Old English together if you like.

Yeah, I'd like that. I'm not sure what route to take through the AGtOE book. I've read the How to guide, but have yet to do §1-9.
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-24, 7:36

Well, that should be fine. We still have until December 3 (or we can push the deadline back if that's more convenient for either/both of us), and I haven't even had a chance to start yet. :P

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-24, 9:20

I'm back in. :P

I've decided this will be my fun language as I work on my two serious languages.

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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-24, 21:48

Well, I'm done the readings. I am hoping to, today or tomorrow, write out OE phonology in my notebook. I'll probably use the Wikipedia article to confirm the full complement, since AGtOE seems to only have points for exception phonemes and letters

Speaking of AGtOE and their points, there was one point that confused me a little. In point 9 (I'm not on my phone, so I don't have access to the symbol they use in the book), which is in chapter 2, section 5, they say that the letters <s>, <f>, <þ> and <ð> are pronounced voiced only between vowels or other voiced sounds, otherwise voiceless. However, not one of the examples they give - rīsan, hlāfas, paþas, hēafdes, sittan, hlāf, pæþ, oft - include <ð>. The same happens in the paragraph following the examples, where they explain about those four letters being more like allophones in OE and phonemes in MnE. They say "the pairs f and v, s and z and voiceless and voiced þ 'th'...", again not referencing <ð>.

Is this because thorn and eth both represented /θ/ and /ð/? I thought that thorn was specifically used for /θ/ and eth for /ð/?
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Re: Old/Middle English Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-24, 22:48

I have yet to do the reading, but if I remember correctly, both eth and thorn are pronounced the same, and context tells you how to pronounce them.


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