Coptic Study group

[księżycowy]

After giving it some further thought, I'm wondering if I want to, say dEhiN calls it, "bow out" of the group.

I certainly don't want to do more than I can handle, and at this present moment, I think I'd like to devote more time to Old English (and especially my major ones!). I would like to revisit this language (and study group) eventually though.

I have no fear that this group will continue without me.

[vijayjohn]

Yeah, I thought something like this might happen, but I didn't anticipate this particular group to be the first on the chopping block.

Sorry to see you go, but see you later, hopefully!

[księżycowy]

On that note I have to ask, which did you think would be the first?

[dEhiN]

Sorry to see you go as well.

Vijay, do you still want to stick with doing the Introduction by 12/2?

[vijayjohn]

Sure, if you do!

On that note I have to ask, which did you think would be the first?

Turkmen

[księżycowy]

Any particular reason you thought Turkmen would go first?

[I'm liking Turkmen a lot so far, I might add! ]

[vijayjohn]

Because of all the languages you've joined/made study groups for, it seems like the one that's the least connected to both your heritage and your research interests. I had no idea you liked Turkmen so much. I'm still wondering why specifically Turkmen.

[księżycowy]

Because it's an underdog.

[vijayjohn]

But most other Turkic languages are even more underrated than Turkmen!

[księżycowy]

And it gets no luv.

It's always Turkish this, Azeri that.

Sure other Turkic languages are even more underdog-ish, but are they accessible to me?

Turkmen has the trifecta! Lesson material with audio(even if incomplete on the audio front), and a good grammar and dictionary courtesy of the PC.

[vijayjohn]

The PC?

Sure other Turkic languages are even more underdog-ish, but are they accessible to me?

Uhh, yeah.

We're both sharing a folder with materials for Bashkir, Chagatay, Chuvash, Crimean Tatar, Karachay, Kazakh, Khakas, Kyrgyz, Middle Turkic, Old Turkic, Ottoman Turkish, (Volga) Tatar, Tuvan, Uyghur, Uzbek, Western Yugur, and Yakut, and that's only counting the materials that are available in English! (There's even more if you include the ones in Russian).

[księżycowy]

Pffft.

[vijayjohn]

So I found a Coptic keyboard!

https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/coptic.htm

The font doesn't always show up so nicely, though:

ⲧⲙⲧⲣⲕⲏⲙⲉ

[dEhiN]

Sure, if you do!

That's the plan!

So I found a Coptic keyboard!

https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/coptic.htm

The font doesn't always show up so nicely, though:

ⲧⲙⲧⲣⲕⲏⲙⲉ

That's cool! What are the letters that aren't showing up? I only see ⲧⲙ ⲧⲣ ⲕⲏⲙⲉ, which if I understand the alphabet correctly, should read /tm tr kemɛ/?

[dEhiN]

ⲧⲙⲧⲣⲕⲏⲙⲉ

That's cool! What are the letters that aren't showing up? I only see ⲧⲙ ⲧⲣ ⲕⲏⲙⲉ, which if I understand the alphabet correctly, should read /tm tr kemɛ/?

Oh, did you mean ⲧⲙⲛ̄ⲧⲣⲙ̄ⲛ̄ⲕⲏⲙⲉ? So the Coptic word for Coptic is /tmntrmnkemɛ/. That seems like a lot of consonant clusters!

[vijayjohn]

ⲧⲙⲧⲣⲕⲏⲙⲉ

That's cool! What are the letters that aren't showing up? I only see ⲧⲙ ⲧⲣ ⲕⲏⲙⲉ, which if I understand the alphabet correctly, should read /tm tr kemɛ/?

Oh, did you mean ⲧⲙⲛ̄ⲧⲣⲙ̄ⲛ̄ⲕⲏⲙⲉ?

Yes.

Hmm...now I wonder, how come the characters from Wikipedia show up but not necessarily the ones from this keyboard?

So the Coptic word for Coptic is /tmntrmnkemɛ/. That seems like a lot of consonant clusters!

But it's not! It's [t.mənt.rəm.ən.keː.mɛ]. EDIT: Or maybe the last vowel is [ə]. I'm not sure.

[dEhiN]

Hmm...now I wonder, how come the characters from Wikipedia show up but not necessarily the ones from this keyboard?

Yeah, I wondered that myself. It seems to only be the macron or the letters with the macron over them.

It's [t.mənt.rəm.ən.keː.mɛ]. EDIT: Or maybe the last vowel is [ə]. I'm not sure.

Oh, so the macron over the consonant indicates a schwa preceding the consonant? As for the last letter, I was going to write that I thought ei was only pronounced [ɛ] in Sahidic Coptic, but I just double checked and it could be that or [ə].

By the way, what's the Greco-Bohairic pronunciation column in the Wikipedia article table?

[vijayjohn]

I guess that's the liturgical pronunciation used in Coptic Churches nowadays for both (Bohairic) Coptic and Greek.

Oh, so the macron over the consonant indicates a schwa preceding the consonant?

That's my understanding, yes.

[dEhiN]

I guess that's the liturgical pronunciation used in Coptic Churches nowadays for both (Bohairic) Coptic and Greek.

Ok, that makes sense.

[dEhiN]

Hey guys, I'm dropping out of this group.