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dEhiN wrote:Shall we continue on with the next section, or even part of the next section?
vijayjohn wrote:Sorry, I totally forgot to reply to this!dEhiN wrote:Shall we continue on with the next section, or even part of the next section?
Yeah, I say we go for trying to do the next section.
vijayjohn wrote:EDIT: God it's annoying how he never provides translations for the Sumerian examples in that section
Eril wrote:Already read until the beginning of page 34 the week before last when I was in the bus without internet and had forgotten until where. So no need to wait for me ^^
Eril wrote:I also found his glossed transcriptions a bit confusing, but I decided to look only at the relevant parts of the examples and ignore the rest of it for now. I also don't think we already need to remember which suffix undergoes vowel harmony and which exact sign it then is replaced with, but that this will be covered again when those suffixes are taught.
dEhiN wrote:Quite the keener, aren't we? So, you finished up to the end of Lesson 2, except for the exercises? I didn't realize there were exercises until just now. How do you guys want to handle the exercises?
Eril wrote:Perhaps we could then do them on our own and if we encounter any problems or are unsure about our results, we could ask here. Or one provides solutions and the others compare with their own solutions.
How is this /dr/ phoneme indicated? What graphoneme is used for it? I guess since the table shows {d} and {r} as graphoneme transliterations for /tsʰ/, does Zólyomi mean that in the earlier literature, a graphoneme of {dr} was used for /tsʰ/? Because he writes phoneme, not graphoneme. So what graphoneme is used in the earlier literature for this /dr/ phoneme?The voiceless aspirated affricate ([tsʰ]) appears in the earlier literature as the /dr/-phoneme.
Eril wrote:I also found his glossed transcriptions a bit confusing, but I decided to look only at the relevant parts of the examples and ignore the rest of it for now. I also don't think we already need to remember which suffix undergoes vowel harmony and which exact sign it then is replaced with, but that this will be covered again when those suffixes are taught.
I like the idea behind that technical term graphoneme. I hadn't heard it before, is it common?
They look quite nice and thought through to me, so I wouldn't want to skip them.
dEhiN wrote:I was curious about the fact that 4 phonemes are transliterated with {-}: /j/, /h/, /tsʰ/ and /ʔ/. The same happens with {d}, both /tsʰ/ and /t/ are transliterated with it.
As well, with {r}, both /tsʰ/ and /ɾ/ are transliterated with it.
Also, what about this sentence at the end of section 2.1:The voiceless aspirated affricate ([tsʰ]) appears in the earlier literature as the /dr/-phoneme.
Widukind wrote:I might just join in. I know plenty about the Sumerians, having studied them extensively, but I’ve put off learning the language.
I’ve run out of excuses.
vijayjohn wrote:Um...has everyone but Widukind and me forgotten about this study group?
dEhiN wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Um...has everyone but Widukind and me forgotten about this study group?
No, not at all. Eril said he had finished up to the end of 2.2, or the beginning of the exercises. I also read ahead and finished up to the end of 2.2; I even tried the exercises, though I found them challenging.
vijayjohn wrote:dEhiN wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Um...has everyone but Widukind and me forgotten about this study group?
No, not at all. Eril said he had finished up to the end of 2.2, or the beginning of the exercises. I also read ahead and finished up to the end of 2.2; I even tried the exercises, though I found them challenging.
Wait, what? I read all of 2.2, but the exercises come after the Further Readings section, which is right after 2.3! (Okay, those two sections are really short, but still, I didn't read them EDIT: Or haven't read them yet).
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