Okay, I started to write this after this post that Johanna has written
. I see that others have posted after that, but I'm going to ignore linguoboy and Aurinĭa's messages because if I start to read and respond to them, someone else is going to post again and then I'll never be able to send this one.
I am not going to repeat what has already been said, so let me just quote and comment the things I agree on. (I don't know who wrote each quote because I picked them up as I was reading the topic; they are all from here in any case.)
So maybe we could have two limits: one for warnings for the same infraction, and one for overall warnings? For example, something like you're allowed three warnings for the same infraction, and eight warnings overall? Or five for the same infraction and ten overall? After that the next level of corrective action is taken.
I think this is a good idea. If someone is given a warning and then they break the same rule again, it doesn't sound like they didn't know they're doing something wrong. But I'm ready to believe that someone might be so unlucky that they manage to break different rules without realising what they do is not allowed here.
1.2 You are allowed to have only 1 account. If you create any others, they will be banned and there will be consequences. If you have a deactivated account, see 1.6; you are to ask for that to be reactivated instead of creating a new one.
Seems reasonable, although I'd probably get rid of the part that says "and there will be consequences".
I agree. But:
I can think of some reasons why a good-faith user would create another account
Maybe you could send a PM to a mod or admin or someone in case you absolutely need to create a new account? Then they'd know it's not that you intend to have discussions with yourself in the forums but that you have a real reason, eg. you have no idea which email you've used when you registered here, or that that email doesn't exists anymore or you can't remember its password.
4.7.1 sexual flirting
Could we make this a bit more clear? Isn't all flirting sexual? What other types there are?
I'd be in favor of a simpler system everyone can remember and understand (a "three strikes and you're out" kind of thing)
I can see it [immediate ban] appropriate for things like severe violations of the privacy of another user (they example mentioned in the policy: "Ex. “Zhang Ziyi, the lead actress in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lives at [her address]”), but not for anything that could be violated accidentally or depend on subjective judgement.
I'm totally fine with immediate bans for posting explicit porn or someone else's personal info, this is not what someone would do in good faith whether they're familiar with the rules or not. As to less obvious cases like erotic images in context, not sure.
I agree. These can cause harm to other users. Eg. I'm from a small place and my name isn't very common, so it'd be relatively easy to find where I live etc if you knew my name and home town. I wouldn't be happy if someone shared them here without my permission to do so. Similarly, I don't want to allow anything that can cause problems to Proycon. Speaking of which...
Proycon has absolute veto power over any changes made to the policy, always.
I agree. He owns this place, so we can't really tell him what to do with it if he doesn't want to.
I would also add to this list physical threats and using well-known hate symbols outside of relevant context.
I'd keep warnings private, but bans public. When someone disappears, I really think people should know why.
If you get banned for posting something that you don't others want to know, then maybe you shouldn't have posted it on a public forum.
In fact, from reading the discussions, I get the impression that even those who get banned don't always really know why they are banned.
This. Also, I think that if bans were public, it'd be easier to see if you're treating people fairly. Right now we don't know who's banned nor why. That means that if the mods started to ban people randomly, we wouldn't know it and even if we did, we couldn't proof it. You know, who polices the police?
I'm not saying that our mods are untrustworthy; what I mean is that this could add more transparency and help people feel that we all follow the same rules.
The problem here is that you can go to, say, a Slavic language forum, post a message full of obscenities and get away with it as long as you don't directly offend anyone - something that is normally not tolerated on online forums. Some languages just have swearwords way stronger that "fucking" in English, and you wouldn't use those in public. But I won't pretend I can come up with a perfect solution.
I agree that this is a problem. Some cultures are more intolerant towards swearing than others, and I can see why that could make some feel uncomfortable. But at the same time, it'd feel strange to tell adults they are not allowed to swear here if they're speaking a language where using swearwords is not seen as rude behaviour.
As of this morning (CET), all seven of us are actively reading this thread and discussing its content behind the scenes. Between its conception and this morning, it was everybody sans one.
Um, did I get it right: we have this discussion here and
the same thing but as "the mods" -edition in a place rest of us don't have an access to? I'm not sure why but somehow it bugs me that you're having the same discussion but behind our backs.