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Prowler wrote:And then you have the Gypsies which... well yeah. Is there anyone in USA as overwhelmingly despised as them to the point of many educated people wishing there was a final solution type of thing for them?
Prowler wrote:I don't view USA as a "white country", despite obviously having been founded by Europeans and being a Western country. I mean, the country is what, at this point? 35% non-white?
Prowler wrote:FWIW, Michael Jordan, George Takei and Bill gates are all equally American to me. The only difference I see between them are their races. But they all have more in common with each other than either of them has with me.
Prowler wrote:Tbh, as an outsider, it seems to me that there's way more cases of successful non-white people in USA than in most of Europe.
linguoboy wrote:Prowler wrote:And then you have the Gypsies which... well yeah. Is there anyone in USA as overwhelmingly despised as them to the point of many educated people wishing there was a final solution type of thing for them?
Muslims?
linguoboy wrote:Prowler wrote:And then you have the Gypsies which... well yeah. Is there anyone in USA as overwhelmingly despised as them to the point of many educated people wishing there was a final solution type of thing for them?
The Antebellum South was at least 40% nonwhite. What's your point?
linguoboy wrote:George Takei was sent to live in internment camps during World War II on account of his Japanese ancestry. So the view really is very different from an ocean away.
vijayjohn wrote:Prowler wrote:Tbh, as an outsider, it seems to me that there's way more cases of successful non-white people in USA than in most of Europe.
Maybe so, but for a nation of immigrants and self-proclaimed "melting pot" where the majority was never indigenous to begin with, I think "is this country more inclusive of immigrants than most of Europe?" is setting a pretty low bar. The history of the US just doesn't compare with any country in Europe.
Here in the US, when we go to school, IME it is hammered into our brains from a very young age that this country is one where people from anywhere in the world can seek (economic) opportunity, (political/personal) safety, and/or generally a better life, so we're easily shocked when we find out how false that is. Our media and our government try very hard to hide the uglier facts from the general population for the sake of this convenient narrative. These uglier facts often include things that are basically common knowledge about the US to much of the rest of the world.
Prowler wrote:While it's true Muslims are distrusted all over the West, I don't think you guys hate them more than Europeans in general hate Gyspies. Do most Muslims in USA live in trailers, extreme poverty and don't go to school?
Prowler wrote:The Antebellum South was at least 40% nonwhite. What's your point?
That was in the time of slavery where blacks were n****** still(I censored it because I'm not sure if the word is allowed here).
Prowler wrote:USA is no longer a country for white people only.
Prowler wrote:Well that was a poor example. I honestly had no idea he had been interned tbh.
Prowler wrote:I'ts hard to say which country is more racist than another. I don't know if it's fare to say that Americans are more or less racist than a certain European country. But I've always felt Americans were more race obsessed and conscious than Europeans.
Prowler wrote:I'ts hard to say which country is more racist than another. I don't know if it's fare to say that Americans are more or less racist than a certain European country. But I've always felt Americans were more race obsessed and conscious than Europeans. Ofc the media likes to exaggerate things but I see Americans talking about race and such often online, while Europeans usually talk more about differences in nationalities. That isn't saying we are race blind or anything and that the only thing we value is a person's passport, though.
linguoboy wrote:Prowler wrote:While it's true Muslims are distrusted all over the West, I don't think you guys hate them more than Europeans in general hate Gyspies. Do most Muslims in USA live in trailers, extreme poverty and don't go to school?
Are these the best proxies available for measuring "hate"?
linguoboy wrote:To many people in this country, they still are.
linguoboy wrote:I'm not interested in making comparisons like these. I'm interested in solving the issues we have in this country and chief among those is unequal treatment of people based on their perceived racial identities.
I'm just stating historical facts: The USA was founded on racial inequality, just like the countries around it. Our commitment to racial equality, such as it is, is relatively recent and shallow and we are nowhere close to dismantling what our ancestors built up over centuries.
I mean, for fuck's sake, read up about Joe Arpaio, who embodies absolutely everything wrong with our present justice system. This is the man that the POTUS pardoned before he could even be sentenced. The message was clear: Violating the Constitutional rights of Latinx is a crime with no consequences, so have it.
Prowler wrote:linguoboy wrote:To many people in this country, they still are.
But not to the majority, right? And every time a White celebrity or politician is caught saying that word their reputation gets damaged beyond repair a lot of times.
Prowler wrote:It doesn't seem like USA glosses over this part of their history much, tbh. Everyone has heard of MLK and the Civil Rights.
Prowler wrote:Black Americans have influenced American culture a lot. jazz music, blues music, funk music, rap music and even did a lot for rock n roll(yes, I know Elvis is the one who gets the the credit for it).
linguoboy wrote:Well, obviously I wasn't trying to make this a competition and divert attention from USA's own problems. Ofc they need to be addressed. Things don't just change overnight You don't just sweep lots of history under the rug. Maybe it will take a few generations for situation to improve there for some groups of people
Prowler wrote:They didn't have rights or had any influence in politics and such.
What about compared to other countries in the American continent or Australia and New Zealand? How do you say you fare?
Per example, from the little I've read about it, Brazil seems to have lots of race issues and it being a country with way more poverty than USA, I can see it.
I don't know if it's fare to say that Americans are more or less racist than a certain European country.
vijayjohn wrote:Oh look, it's a black libertarian economist! WOW I am so overwhelmed and I'll shut up about racism for the rest of my life because I didn't know minorities can actually be right-wing and act against their own self-interests even though people acting against their own self-interests is pretty much what the Republican Party has been relying on for decades in this country and I've seen people of my own ethnicity do this throughout my life.
linguoboy wrote:If memory serves, he's also a supply-sider
He writes from a libertarian conservative perspective, advocating supply-side economics.
linguoboy wrote:If memory serves, he's also a supply-sider even though trickle-down economics has been about as conclusively disproven as any macroeconomic theory can be.
linguoboy wrote:Everyone has heard a highly sanitised version of MLK and the Civil Rights movement: He was just a nice guy who preached nonviolence and all the nice white people were so impressed by him that they turned right around and give Black people their rights. You don't hear the quotes where he disparages white moderates and sympathises with Black rioters. You certainly don't hear how lukewarm white people across the country were in their support for Black equality.
linguoboy wrote:Again, we've always been happy to have POC perform for us--and to steal from their culture when it appeals to us. To quote Kyle Baker in Why I Hate Saturn, "Look, Black music is in, Black culture is in, but Black people will never be in."
linguoboy wrote:Time alone is not going to solve these problems. What it will take is for a significant proportion of white people in the USA to acknowledge the racism inherent in this society and take active steps to dismantle it. I've been waiting all my life for racists to just die off--but how many greybeards did you see marching in Charlottesville? These were young people, barely older than my nephews, openly dedicating themselves to the cause of making sure people like them stay on top indefinitely.
Prowler wrote:Also, I think many have heard of MLK being a plagiarist and cheating on his wife.
Malcolm X doesn't seem to be considered a saint, however.
Remember when Nelson Mandela died and the media all over the world was saying how he was a great man and all, overlooking his terrorist attacks in the past?
when you fight for a good cause people are willing to overlook your flaws even if they're quite big flaws.
They're viewed on in a more positive light these days than they were 30-40 years ago. For the record, I don't consider USA some paradise for non-white people where they won't find any barriers or racism, but I still believe they have it better than there than in many, if not most European countries... well but maybe the bar isn't being set too high.
Btw, how do you feel about Affirmative Action? I've always heard of it but don't know exactly how one applies or how it's implemented.
Prowler wrote:For the record, I don't consider USA some paradise for non-white people where they won't find any barriers or racism, but I still believe they have it better than there than in many, if not most European countries... well but maybe the bar isn't being set too high.
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