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iodalach93 wrote:In Italy atheism is only present among middle or high-cultured people, whereas Catholicism extends to people of every kind. So yes, if someone is acting as a Grammar Nazi, it is probable that s/he is a middle- or high-cultured atheist.
IpseDixit wrote:iodalach93 wrote:In Italy atheism is only present among middle or high-cultured people, whereas Catholicism extends to people of every kind. So yes, if someone is acting as a Grammar Nazi, it is probable that s/he is a middle- or high-cultured atheist.
Your sources?
vijayjohn wrote:Okay, but if you rely on Catholicism (or whatever other religion) as a set of moral principles or something to live your life by, to what extent will you care? What if you have more pressing concerns than "gee, I wonder whether God exists or not"?
vijayjohn wrote:Okay, but if you rely on Catholicism (or whatever other religion) as a set of moral principles or something to live your life by, to what extent will you care? What if you have more pressing concerns than "gee, I wonder whether God exists or not"?
Michael wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Okay, but if you rely on Catholicism (or whatever other religion) as a set of moral principles or something to live your life by, to what extent will you care? What if you have more pressing concerns than "gee, I wonder whether God exists or not"?
That was pretty much the point I intended to make in my above post.
IpseDixit wrote:But why should we assume that all low-cultured people in Italy rely on Catholicism?
Michael wrote:IpseDixit wrote:iodalach93 wrote:In Italy atheism is only present among middle or high-cultured people, whereas Catholicism extends to people of every kind. So yes, if someone is acting as a Grammar Nazi, it is probable that s/he is a middle- or high-cultured atheist.
Your sources?
His opinion may be very anecdotal, but it does make sense, especially from my perspective as a former Catholic, devout for a time as well. Most laypeople are lapsed to a certain extent, and only superficially religious, like in matters of ceremony, patriotism, and folk belief, and don't really become that pensive about their religious convictions (which, in my case, inevitably lead to total loss of faith further down the road), which means they probably aren't very pensive when it comes to other matters either.
vijayjohn wrote:in general, if you grew up in a Catholic family (regardless of class, nationality, or whatever else) and you don't find any compelling reason not to rely on Catholicism, then why wouldn't you?
vijayjohn wrote:I'm honestly not sure what either you or iodolach means by "low-cultured." If y'all mean "low-class" or something
vijayjohn wrote:However, in general, if you grew up in a Catholic family (regardless of class, nationality, or whatever else) and you don't find any compelling reason not to rely on Catholicism, then why wouldn't you? As Mike said, there are lots of people who don't seem to find such a reason all over the world; I don't see any compelling reason why Italy would be an exception, either.
Aurinĭa wrote:vijayjohn wrote:in general, if you grew up in a Catholic family (regardless of class, nationality, or whatever else) and you don't find any compelling reason not to rely on Catholicism, then why wouldn't you?
Because you can't be bothered / don't care enough? Most of the people I know only go to church for baptisms, weddings, funerals.
IpseDixit wrote:If we consider that Catholicism has quite strict rules about morality and sexuality, I really struggle to believe that someone might uncritically accept those rules without giving that some thought
Moreover when you say "and you don't find any compelling reason not to rely on Catholicism", it already implies that you have actually bothered to ponder over the existence of god, doesn't it?
vijayjohn wrote:Aurinĭa wrote:vijayjohn wrote:in general, if you grew up in a Catholic family (regardless of class, nationality, or whatever else) and you don't find any compelling reason not to rely on Catholicism, then why wouldn't you?
Because you can't be bothered / don't care enough? Most of the people I know only go to church for baptisms, weddings, funerals.
It sounds to me like we're talking about completely different things here. I'm talking about something more like whether people self-identify as Catholics and/or believe in Catholicism, whereas it sounds to me like you're talking about how people practice their religion.
IpseDixit wrote:If we consider that Catholicism has quite strict rules about morality and sexuality, I really struggle to believe that someone might uncritically accept those rules without giving that some thought
I don't think I struggle to believe that at all. If that's all you ever hear, that's all you think exists; you think it's that way for everybody and therefore just normal. I mean, I'm not even Catholic, and until I joined UniLang (and stayed here for a while, read what other people had to say about stuff like this, and talked about it here), I used to think I had to abstain from sex until marriage, too, because otherwise, I could contract or help spread an STD or even get someone pregnant.
vijayjohn wrote:If that's all you ever hear, that's all you think exists; you think it's that way for everybody and therefore just normal.
Aurinĭa wrote:I was raised Catholic (more or less, my parents didn't really talk about religion), went to a Catholic school for kindergarten and secondary school, had Religion for all of it (Catholicism), and I never believed that. Neither did my parents, who were raised properly Catholic.
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