Massimiliano B wrote:@Linguoboy, it's not your point. Your point is that you have no way of reading a man's mind to discern his intentions, and that's why staring or looking at women is a bad habit. This conclusion is a logical fallacy, called the slippery slope.
It's not a slippery slope because it's already happening. I don't have a female friend who doesn't have a story (or stories, rather) of men not only in clubs but in random public places not taking no for an answer. Then when these things do happen lots of people justify these acts by saying that the victims did something wrong ("attracting attention" being one of them).
Even women rape men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_males), so the standards have to be the same.
What do you think the proportion of male-on-female vs. female-on-male rape is?
I do agree that male victims of rape aren't taken seriously by society, and in fact the rape of men in prison is often played of as a joke, but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with how polite it is to stare at people.
I wrote that usually, but not always, women like to attract attention. My evidence for this is especially the way women look or stare at me, even though I wasn't previously looking or staring at them. A lot of times it happens (and has happened) to me.
Firstly, why does staring at someone necessarily mean you want their attention? It's even possible to stare at someone by accident if you're spaced out enough, I've even done it before on public transport -- the difference here is that I'm not particularly proud of it and look at those clear mistakes I've made in the same way I'd see anything else embarrassing I've done. I've also minimised this behaviour because I don't think it's a good thing to do to people.
Secondly, if having stared at least once at someone means that you generally "want attention", does the fact that you stare at women mean you also want this sort of attention from whoever? Do you want to be stared at by any and all people (including, say, homosexual men)?
I've had also sexual harrassments from girls and women (both verbal and physical), but this is not the place to discuss it.
If you're not willing to discuss it then don't bring it up as an argument.
As an aside, let's not forget that this is where this discussion evolved from:
Johanna wrote:IpseDixit wrote: https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=57731D5B
Which is why when I go out I prefer a gay club or bar, I've never ever been treated badly by anyone of any gender who's approached me in one, and neither have my male friends of any orientation, but when I go to a regular one, chances are that I will have to deal with at least one drunk straight guy who can't take a no.
Are you particularly bothered by IpseDixit's reposting of an image that observes pretty clear hypocritical attitudes expressed by men or Johanna's personal experience of being harrassed? If so what is it about this that bothers you?