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WallOfStuff wrote:Okay so I know I'm like the king of angsty emo rants but I just can't get past this.
I just feel ashamed. After hearing complaints of American tourists, visitors, exchange, etc.
And it wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't the stereotype, but I am. Like...
1. I'm stupid. Like, incredibly stupid. My American family, friends, etc. call me stupid. I'm also autistic and apparently borderline mentally retarded (but not quite there). I feel uneducated, ignorant, etc. Trying to change it does nothing. I know nothing about politics. It just doesn't interest me.
2. I'm not in shape and "lazy" but the lazy part could be depression. But I've always been this way. Always hated physical activity. Only reason I'm not fat is my metabolism, and when I get older, I guarentee I will be. I don't feel so bad about this actually because I'm not attracted to people who are too skinny (no offense, skinny people). My sister's boyfriend is Japanese and he loves that she's heavier, he doesn't like skinny girls.
3. I like gossip, drama, getting into people's business sometimes. Idk it's just what I do. When I hear that most Europeans don't do this, it seems weird to me. I love this stuff, I find it hilarious, and makes my own boring life more exciting.
4. I do stereotype a lot (obviously) but trying to cut that down. It's just hard to since everyone here kinda does.
5. I love the supposedly terrible and unhealthy chemical food here. Well, some of it.
I hate Twinkies and McDonald's, but like some other fast food. I mean I try to eat healthy sometimes, it's just hard in the situation I'm in right now (long story). Not to mention, nutritionalists disagree with each other so much on what is and isn't healthy. Especially the people saying grains and starches are unhealthy... so any people who eat pasta and rice a lot are screwed. But anyway, if I traveled abroad, I'd have to bring suitcases full of food. Food from most other countries that I see or hear of seems so gross to me. I'm not even that picky. Though there is a lot of foods here I won't eat too... ketchup, tuna, mustard, "fake" cheese and meats, etc.
6. I only know one language. Of course nobody on this forum likes being like that so I don't need further explanation. And any attempt to learn has pretty much failed.
7. America has the most internet users on English websites (I think China is #1 overall IIRC? but on Chinese sites I'd assume moreso). So I'm pretty disposable.
8. I hate my "accent" and voice and suck at doing foreign accents. I mean I sound like a typical autistic kid honestly. Not to be derogatory but I do.
Tbh I just hate myself to begin with. So this is just one of many things I hate. I'd honestly feel bad if I traveled to another country and the people there had to put up with me... even though I'm concious of all this shit and would try to behave well, I think my social anxiety and whatnot would kick in. I know people worldwide have this but still. Hell, I hate how people here have to put up with me.
Also, I've said this before, if I was traveling abroad, I'd be tempted to tell people I was Canadian if they asked. But I wouldn't want to make Canadians look bad if I was the only one they met. This shit makes me afraid to travel and I do plan on traveling to France but mostly just to meet an online friend. I figure if I'm with him the whole time, he can help me behave acceptably. But like I'd fear if I'm too quiet, it'd be awkward and if I'm too social, I'd be awkward so it's messed up either way.
Ugh sorry I get moody in the late evenings. But most of this is just paranoia I guess.
vijayjohn wrote:Actually, you're not alone on this forum. Like I said, being a language learner in this country is hard. People can be really hostile to the idea; I speak from personal experience. I'm lucky I have a family that encourages my interest in languages, but I know a lot of language learners don't.
Which ones? :3Levike wrote:And they actually behaved better than some Erasmus students from certain European countries.
What you say is very agreeable; however, I will point out a few things:Meera wrote:Hey WallOfStuff, I am an Afghan who moved to America and now I am an American citizen. Sometimes America does things that make me embarrassed but I want to tell you you should be thankful you are in America and not a country like Afghanistan. No country is the greatest in the world, but you have the right to free education here, you have a right to whatever religion you want to be, you have freedom of speech, you have the opportunity to learn another language. I'm an atheist and I could never say this publicly in Afghanistan (I could actually go to jail for saying I'm atheist in Afghanistan), in some parts of Afghanistan girls do not even have the right to go to school. And honestly since I have lived in America, Americans have been overwhelming kind to me and respectful to me. Remember every country on earth has it's own problems.
See, you're already a lot smarter than almost anybody I interact with.vijayjohn wrote:WallOfStuff wrote:Okay so I know I'm like the king of angsty emo rants but I just can't get past this.
I know what you mean because I've felt similarly before about when I wanted to rant about something, but it's not really an angsty emo rant. I find that when we're anxious and have difficulty overcoming it, part of the reason for that can be because we have a lot we want to get off our chest, but we're scared to say it because of how people may judge us for saying it. In reality, though, I think we feel it's more of a nuisance to people than it really is. The truth is that if people don't want to read it, well then, they just don't have to read it! And it is important for us to get things off our chest at some point instead of just bottling them up inside forever, so kudos to you for doing that!
Well yeah, the forum users here are not the stereotype at all. But they're an exception.vijayjohn wrote:I just feel ashamed. After hearing complaints of American tourists, visitors, exchange, etc.
I don't think I've ever seen a single American user on this forum say they were proud to be American. If anything, I feel as if all of us fellow American users know what you mean by that. Shit is fucked up in this country, man. I mean, for instance, I guess there are some things I like about this country, but there have always been certain things that deeply bothered me about it. It's difficult to be a language learner in a country where everybody seems to assume the whole world just speaks English.
I talk to a lot of Finns especially, they hate this kinda stuff from what I'm told. And some from other European countries hate it too.vijayjohn wrote:3. I like gossip, drama, getting into people's business sometimes. Idk it's just what I do. When I hear that most Europeans don't do this, it seems weird to me. I love this stuff, I find it hilarious, and makes my own boring life more exciting.
Where'd you hear that most Europeans don't do this? Don't get me wrong, I can believe you have heard it before (I probably have heard something to that effect, too, though I can't seem to remember from where), but I don't think it's true that they don't.
Well also, you said your family is from India, right? Maybe that's why. My American white family discourages it, pretty much.vijayjohn wrote:6. I only know one language. Of course nobody on this forum likes being like that so I don't need further explanation. And any attempt to learn has pretty much failed.
Actually, you're not alone on this forum. Like I said, being a language learner in this country is hard. People can be really hostile to the idea; I speak from personal experience. I'm lucky I have a family that encourages my interest in languages, but I know a lot of language learners don't.
I suck a teaching but have helped a few people.vijayjohn wrote:7. America has the most internet users on English websites (I think China is #1 overall IIRC? but on Chinese sites I'd assume moreso). So I'm pretty disposable.
Well, there's also tons of people around the world (and on this forum) who are trying to learn English, and there's lots of pressure on them to do it, too. The fact that we're native speakers of American English means that we're in a position to help people who are trying to learn it, too.
I wish nobody had to feel this way, honestly. =\vijayjohn wrote:Tbh I just hate myself to begin with. So this is just one of many things I hate. I'd honestly feel bad if I traveled to another country and the people there had to put up with me... even though I'm concious of all this shit and would try to behave well, I think my social anxiety and whatnot would kick in. I know people worldwide have this but still. Hell, I hate how people here have to put up with me.
I know all of these feelings and didn't even know other people were like this until I was at least two years older than you are now.
My sleep pattern is awful. x.x And yes, kinda. >.<vijayjohn wrote:Ugh sorry I get moody in the late evenings. But most of this is just paranoia I guess.
It's okay. Lots of us are emotional and stuff late at night, including me. It sucks because it can easily prevent me from going to sleep. But yeah, you're not alone. Want a hug?
WallOfStuff wrote:See, you're already a lot smarter than almost anybody I interact with.
Well also, you said your family is from India, right? Maybe that's why. My American white family discourages it, pretty much.
I suck a teaching but have helped a few people.
My sleep pattern is awful. x.x And yes, kinda. >.<vijayjohn wrote:It's okay. Lots of us are emotional and stuff late at night, including me. It sucks because it can easily prevent me from going to sleep. But yeah, you're not alone. Want a hug?
WallOfStuff wrote:Which ones? :3Levike wrote:And they actually behaved better than some Erasmus students from certain European countries.
WallOfStuff wrote:1. I'm stupid. Like, incredibly stupid. My American family, friends, etc. call me stupid. I'm also autistic and apparently borderline mentally retarded (but not quite there). I feel uneducated, ignorant, etc. Trying to change it does nothing. I know nothing about politics. It just doesn't interest me.
WallOfStuff wrote:2. I'm not in shape and "lazy" but the lazy part could be depression. But I've always been this way. Always hated physical activity. Only reason I'm not fat is my metabolism, and when I get older, I guarentee I will be. I don't feel so bad about this actually because I'm not attracted to people who are too skinny (no offense, skinny people). My sister's boyfriend is Japanese and he loves that she's heavier, he doesn't like skinny girls.
WallOfStuff wrote:3. I like gossip, drama, getting into people's business sometimes. Idk it's just what I do. When I hear that most Europeans don't do this, it seems weird to me. I love this stuff, I find it hilarious, and makes my own boring life more exciting.
4. I do stereotype a lot (obviously) but trying to cut that down. It's just hard to since everyone here kinda does.
WallOfStuff wrote:5. I love the supposedly terrible and unhealthy chemical food here. Well, some of it. I hate Twinkies and McDonald's, but like some other fast food. I mean I try to eat healthy sometimes, it's just hard in the situation I'm in right now (long story). Not to mention, nutritionalists disagree with each other so much on what is and isn't healthy. Especially the people saying grains and starches are unhealthy... so any people who eat pasta and rice a lot are screwed. But anyway, if I traveled abroad, I'd have to bring suitcases full of food. Food from most other countries that I see or hear of seems so gross to me. I'm not even that picky. Though there is a lot of foods here I won't eat too... ketchup, tuna, mustard, "fake" cheese and meats, etc.
WallOfStuff wrote:I only know one language. Of course nobody on this forum likes being like that so I don't need further explanation. And any attempt to learn has pretty much failed.
8. I hate my "accent" and voice and suck at doing foreign accents. I mean I sound like a typical autistic kid honestly. Not to be derogatory but I do.
TheStrayCat wrote:I'm not sure either of these has to do with you being American. I obviously know very little about your background, talents, attitudes and so on, but the main reason why Europeans speak more languages is that they need it, with some other, less evident, reasons being directly related to this. I know a lot of Americans who are proficient in other languages because they were motivated to learn them for certain reasons, and similarly a lot of Europeans (outside of English-speaking countries) who only speak their native tongue. It is true that your surroundings can influence you to some extent, but not to the point where they'll decide what you should do. By the way, I do have a Slavic accent in English and it doesn't make me feel ashamed. Why should it if it's another part of my identity?
I could write here about some different things which I dislike about America, but overall I think my answer is comprehensive enough to let others see how I view some basic differences between the US and my home country (or Europe in general). So, WallOfStuff, if you'd happened to be born in France or China, how do you know that you wouldn't be ashamed of being French or Chinese?
WallOfStuff wrote:By the way, I have a question. I have a friend who claims he's from Ukraine... I told him about how my great grandparents were from Odessa, and he had no idea what that was. Is that normal? I thought that was kind of a big city. I mean, the guy was an alcoholic so maybe that's why, but still.
TheStrayCat wrote:WallOfStuff wrote:By the way, I have a question. I have a friend who claims he's from Ukraine... I told him about how my great grandparents were from Odessa, and he had no idea what that was. Is that normal? I thought that was kind of a big city. I mean, the guy was an alcoholic so maybe that's why, but still.
It's the third largest city of the country and quite a popular summer resort, not to mention its cultural significance. I cannot imagine a Ukrainian citizen who would never have heard of it. It's like an American who doesn't know what Chicago is. Are you sure that guy wasn't dead drunk when he told you that?
WallOfStuff wrote:I only met him after he went to rehab. So he doesn't drink anymore. He's a straight-edge now. And he definitely was not drunk. If I recall correctly, we were at an event doing wood burning... a drunk doing that isn't a good idea, he could burn himself. Plus he didn't seem drunk at all.
I meant, maybe the alcohol in the past gave him permanent brain damage. It did to my mom too. =(
I don't know how long he's been in the USA- he speaks perfect American English without a Ukranian or foreign accent. Maybe just his parents are from Ukraine, or he came here as a young child, so he never learned the history. I think he speaks the language... I'm not even sure, but if he does, I don't think he's fluent. I don't think he's lying at all because his name (both first and last) is obviously Slavic in origin... coincidentally, the current mayor of Odessa, according to Wikipedia, shares the same first name as him.TheStrayCat wrote:WallOfStuff wrote:I only met him after he went to rehab. So he doesn't drink anymore. He's a straight-edge now. And he definitely was not drunk. If I recall correctly, we were at an event doing wood burning... a drunk doing that isn't a good idea, he could burn himself. Plus he didn't seem drunk at all.
I meant, maybe the alcohol in the past gave him permanent brain damage. It did to my mom too. =(
Sadly, that's also possible. I assume he also might have misheard the name, but I cannot make any reliable suggestions without hearing the whole conversation.
uzferry wrote:I'm lost. Excuse me for not being the sharpest tool in the shed, but what does this have to do with being American? You mean there are some standards inherent to the USA and you don't feel like you're meeting those standards?
If so, I don't know, you've just described 80% of people I know, including myself. We all have some negative attributes, but that's not what makes person a person (or not).
Not everyone is a genius and we all have our "hurr durr" moments, but does that mean that we all generally are stupid? Probably not. And I don't know anyone with an endless motivation to do stuff, but somehow eventually they just force themselves. Or not. It's just the nature of human being I guess, most people I know are like that. Don't oversaturate the colors it I would say, but that's just me.
WallOfStuff wrote:uzferry wrote:I'm lost. Excuse me for not being the sharpest tool in the shed, but what does this have to do with being American? You mean there are some standards inherent to the USA and you don't feel like you're meeting those standards?
If so, I don't know, you've just described 80% of people I know, including myself. We all have some negative attributes, but that's not what makes person a person (or not).
Not everyone is a genius and we all have our "hurr durr" moments, but does that mean that we all generally are stupid? Probably not. And I don't know anyone with an endless motivation to do stuff, but somehow eventually they just force themselves. Or not. It's just the nature of human being I guess, most people I know are like that. Don't oversaturate the colors it I would say, but that's just me.
Idk, I just feel like I've talked to a few people from other countries who always bring up bad things about Americans for seemingly no reason... maybe they're just trolling.
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