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Sámi course

Postby Jonne » 2005-11-29, 14:38

So, thought of starting a course for Sámi language :P I know only basic Sámi (northern dialect), don't speak it fluently.. but even the basics would be better than nothing, right?
Anyone interested?

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Postby mssccb84 » 2005-11-29, 16:08

I'd be interested in learning a little Sami, if nothing more than to learn the basics.

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Postby Varislintu » 2005-11-29, 16:40

Me, too :)!
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Postby Ioannes » 2005-11-29, 17:16

I totally support a Sami course, and I wish you good luck teaching this very inflected language of Scandinavia!

Sadly I won't be participating, but I am sure there are many that wants to learn more about the Sami language and culture.

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Postby CoBB » 2005-11-29, 17:30

Count me in!
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Postby E}{pugnator » 2005-11-29, 18:38

Me too for sure!
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Postby Kazimer » 2005-11-29, 19:33

I'm eager and willing to learn.

edit: Did I really write that? I must think before I "speak". :D
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Postby Jonne » 2005-11-29, 19:39

Okayy then..

Vuosttaš boddu - First lesson
Pronunciation

Sámi alphabet:
a á b c č d đ e f g h i j k l m n ŋ o p q r s š t ŧ u v z ž

Vowels

i - Like English i in sit. Can be long or short (sit-seed)
e - Like English e in bet or ver. Can be long or short too.
u - Like short oo sound (as in boot). Can be long too, though.
o - Like o in of or on. Can be long or short.
a - Like British a in father. A is always short!
á - Is same as a, but longer, and is often pronounced like Finnish ä or English a (in cat or bad).

Diphthongs:
ea - you should pronounce this as eä. Ä is like English a in cat or bag.
ii, ei - you should pronounce these as ij and ej

NOTE that á is short if it's before htt, hpp, hkk, hcc or hčč.

Eg.
báhcci! [pahhtsii] - stay!

Consonants

b - When starting a word like English p, but not air coming out of your mouth.
d - When starting a word like English t, but no air coming out of your mouth.
g - When starting a word like English k, but no air coming out of your mouth.
c - Ts, like in sits.
č - Like ch in cheese.
š - Like sh in sheep.
nj - N with very very little j (English y) after it.
j - Like y in yes
ŋ - Like n in rank or bank.
l - Like Finnish l, not soft like many times in English.
z - very short c.
ž - very short č.
đ - Like English th in this or them.
d - Is đ between 2nd and 3rd syllables, eg:
riegádit [riekaađiht], otherwise normal d.
r - rolling r.
ŧ - Like English th in thin.

And when a word ends with t, it's pronounced as ht.
Dat [taht]

When a word that ends with t is in the middle of a sentence, the -t is dropped.
Bures dat manná [pures tah mannaa]
Don leat Máret [Ton leäh Maareht]


And I think you are all familiar with the consonants I didn't mention.

There's also a schwa sound, but it isn't marked in texts. I'll mark it with ^ when giving a 'pronunciation guide' :P
Eg. Bearjadat [pear^jađaht] (=Friday)

And remember, that when I write h in the 'pronunciation guide' of a Sámi text, it has to be pronounced.

Then.. let's learn how to introduce oneself.

Most common way to say "My name is.." is "I am.."

Mun lean.. = I am..

Mun lean [leän] Iŋga - I am Iŋga (woman)
Mun lean [leän] Máret - I am Máret (woman)
Mun lean [leän] Máhtte - I am Máhtte (man)


Then some greetings:

Good morning! - Buore iđit [puore iđit]
Good day! - Buore beaivvi [puore peaivvii
Good evening! - Buore eahket [puore eahkeht]

Máret: Buore beaivvi [puore peaivvii]
Máhtte: Ipmel atti
Máret: De boahtá busse [Te poahtaa pussse].
Báze dearvan [paatse tear^van!]
Máhtte: Mana dearvan.

Translation:
- Good day.
- Good day. (Answer)
- The buss comes now (lit. Now comes buss). Goodbye! (From the one who's leaving)
- Goodbye! (To the one who's leaving)
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Postby Lumijaguaari » 2005-11-29, 20:26

Mukana ollaan!

This is good because, in spite of having owned a sámi-course for a year, I've only so much as DABBLED with it....nu det är på tiden att opiskella, you know!
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Postby Gormur » 2005-11-30, 0:21

Finnish and Sámi both sound a bit alike to me (though I don't know much of either). Are there any similarities in vocabulary, grammar?

Also, if you have an account with NRK, you can watch Sámi TV - some kids' shows, and news.

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Postby CoBB » 2005-11-30, 8:10

You can also watch TV-Ođđasat at yle.fi.

To me the two languages sound entirely different. Sámi is generally much softer to my ears.
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Postby Jonne » 2005-11-30, 9:08

They sound totally different to me too :roll: And hmm they share some vocabulary.. some examples:
bearjadat - perjantai - friday
láibi - leipä - bread
laibut - leipoa - to bake
muhto - mutta - but
oastit - ostaa - to buy
siidu - sivu - page
dás - tässä - here

Grammars are releated in some parts... but Finnish has more tenses and cases than Sámi.
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Postby Jonne » 2005-11-30, 9:19

Aha! You can hear that on the video (Yle24) they pronounce á as Finnish ää. They pronounce it like that in eastern dialects, while it's aah in western.

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Postby Jonne » 2005-11-30, 12:17

Nubbi boddu - Second lesson


- Mii du namma lea?
- Mu namma lea Iŋgá
- Mu namma lea Pekka

Máret: Gii bo boahtá?
Máhtte: Na Pekka.
Pekka: Buore beaivvi.
Máret: Ipmel atti. Mii gullo?
Pekka: Giitu buorre. Gii bo boahtá de?
Máret: Na Iŋgá. Dat lea mu nieida.

Sánit:
Sánit [saaniht] - Words
Mii [mij] - What
Du [tuu] - Your
Namma - Name
Lea [leä] - Is
Mu [muu] - My, mine
Gii [kij] - How
Do [too] - there
Na - Well (As when starting a sentence)
Mii gullo? [mij kullo] = How are you?
Giitu buorre [kij^htuu puorre] = Good thanks
Nieida [niej^ta]
Mun - I
Don [ton] - You


Verb "to be"

You conjugate verbs in persons and tenses.
Now learn the present tense of "to be".

Leat - To be

I am - (Mun) lean
You are - (Don) Leat
S/he/It is - Son lea

You don't have to use the personal pronoun with "i am" or "you are", because you can see the preson from the ending. However, when you say "S/he/It is" it has to be used.

Mun lean or lean
Don lean or leat
Son lea.


Biila lea stuoris - Car is big
Máret lea olgun - Máret is outside
Mun lean stuoris - I am big

Cases

There are six cases in Sámi. First you're gonna learn is nominative. It's the basic form of a word which you'll always learn first.

Bargobihtát - Exercises

1. Translate and read the text aloud.
2. Write lean, leat or lea.
a) Buore beaivi. Mun ... Juvvá.
b) Ipmel atti. Mu namma ... Máret.
c) Na gii dongis ... ?
d) Mun ... Joavnna.
3. Answer these questions.
a) Mii du namma lea?
b) Mii dat lea?
c) Mii do lea?
d) Gii don leat?
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Postby ego » 2005-11-30, 12:39

Why don't you make a special thread? It will already more active than others

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Postby Guillem » 2005-11-30, 13:38

Why don't you open a Sámi VSL instead? :)

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Postby Strigo » 2005-11-30, 13:58

i just watched sami tv.... it sounds so beautiful!
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Postby Guillem » 2005-11-30, 14:13

Strigo wrote:i just watched sami tv.... it sounds so beautiful!

Yes, so cute!

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Postby Jonne » 2005-11-30, 14:32

665 wrote:Why don't you open a Sámi VSL instead? :)


Hmm nice idea.. But I don't speak this language fluently.

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Postby Varislintu » 2005-11-30, 16:31

I don't think that matters (?). The Finnish forum, as far as I know, wasn't created by a fluent speaker, either (was it by Expugnator?) :). I think a Saami forum would be nice!
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