Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-04-03, 19:13

(fi) Terveyden ja hyvinvoinnin laitos (THL)
Finnish institute for health and welfare; it's almost always mentioned side by side with WHO whenever someone mentions the corona virus.

terveys - health
ja - and
hyvä - good
> adverb hyvin - well
vointi - feeling, condition
> hyvinvointi - wellbeing, welfare
laitos - institute


FYI: laitos is one of the words whose inventor we know by name: it was the Finnish linguist and author Reinhold von Becker. The base for the word was laittaa (to put, to place, to set), to which he added the suffix -os (it forms nouns from verbs, usually denoting the action described by the verb or the result of said action).

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-04-03, 22:17

(kv-kpv) дзоньвидзалун / dzon'vidzalun
health

дзонь/dzon' = whole
видза/vidza = (?)
видзны/vidzny = to keep, maintain, protect
дзоньвидза/dzon'vidza = healthy (adjective)
лун/lun = day; often used as a nominalizing suffix

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-04-05, 13:47

(fi) Terve!
An informal greeting; lit. 'healthy'

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Iván » 2020-04-05, 14:28

(fi) Terveydeksi!*
Bless you!

*Interjection used when someone sneezes. It's the the translative singular form of terveys.
Minkä nuorena oppii, sen vanhana taitaa.

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-04-05, 19:25

(et) Terviseks!
Bless you! / Cheers!

It's almost the same as the Finnish form above; it's the translative singular form of tervis (health), and it can be used when someone sneezes, but in Estonian it's also used as a toast before drinking.

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-04-05, 20:52

(fi) tervehdyttää
to make something heal; but many other verbs can be used in actual translations such as improve or restore

terve = healthy
-taa/-tää = 1) forms causative verbs 2) forms verbs from nouns & adjectives *

> tervehtää = to greet; but it kinda has the idea "to give health" behind it
-ua/-yä = forms stative or inchoative intransitive verbs from transitive verbs

> tervehtyä = to heal [by itself], to recover
-ttaa/-ttää = forms causative verbs
> tervehdyttää
*
(Wiktionary claims it's terve+htAA, but I'm quite sure it's terveh+tAA instead. -htAA forms "momentane or semelfactive verbs" and IMO that wouldn't make sense here.)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-04-09, 4:08

(mhr) саемдаш / sajemdaš
to improve (transitive), to make better

сай = good
саемаш = to improve (intrans.), get better
саемдаш = to improve (trans.), make better

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-04-18, 23:44

(et) saajavanem
best man at a wedding

There are numerous words for this in Estonian depending on the region.
This one is composed of saajad = wedding + vanem = elder.
The more usual word for "wedding" is pulmad.

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby france-eesti » 2020-05-08, 8:40

(hu) esküvő
wedding ceremony
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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-05-10, 3:05

(vro) nu̬u̬ŕpaaŕ
bride and groom

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-05-10, 18:57

(myv) пола / pola
spouse

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-05-10, 20:00

(et) teinepool
spouse, partner

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-05-10, 20:46

(fi) turku
(archaic) marketplace

Okay I guess this needs some explaining before anyone starts to worry that I'm trying to buy a spouse! :)

One of the biggest cities in Finland is named Turku. It's divided by the Aura River, and because of that, people of Turku refer to the Eastern part of the city as täl pual jokke (on this side of the river) and to the Western part as tois puol jokke (on the other side of the river). So my associations went like teinepool > tois puol > Turku > turku. And yes, the city's name is literally Marketplace... :D

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-05-11, 5:44

Naava wrote:(fi) turku
(archaic) marketplace
Cool, I knew that word, but I didn't realize it was archaic! Similar to Estonian turg (which isn't archaic) and I guess I learned the Finnish version somewhere along the way probably because it's the name of the city.

Naava wrote:Okay I guess this needs some explaining
:mrgreen:

Well, with your explanation (now that I know you aren't shopping for spouses), then my next word is
(et) ülejõgi
over the river; across the river

which, in genitive case (ülejõe), is the name of quite a few villages and neighborhoods in Estonia, generally ones that are located across the river from an older village or neighborhood. This seems rather similar to referring to the western part of Turku as tois puol jokke even when it's the side of the river that you're currently on (which I think is what you were saying in your explanation, if I got that right).

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-05-15, 22:27

Linguaphile wrote:
Naava wrote:(fi) turku
(archaic) marketplace
Cool, I knew that word, but I didn't realize it was archaic! Similar to Estonian turg (which isn't archaic) and I guess I learned the Finnish version somewhere along the way probably because it's the name of the city.

It survives in the sayings (maailman) turuilla ja toreilla, which means 'around the world, in many places' etc, and turhuuden turuilla, which I don't know how to translate exactly but turhuus means 'futility; vanity'.

Linguaphile wrote:This seems rather similar to referring to the western part of Turku as tois puol jokke even when it's the side of the river that you're currently on (which I think is what you were saying in your explanation, if I got that right).

Yes, that's what they do. :) Apparently "this side of the river" is the old, original city and "that side of the river" is where the city has spread afterwards. I also noticed that I made a spelling mistake; it should be tois pual jokke because Turku dialect, like other Western dialects, has opened the diphtongs uo > ua, yö > yä, and ie > iä. I actually think it's really cool that we have this development noori töömees > nuori työmies > nuari tyämiäs!

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(fi) yleinen
common, general, usual, generic...

yle - derived from either yli ('over') or ylä- ('superior; upper, high, higher')
-inen - creates adjectives signifying a certain quality; -like, -ous, -y

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby france-eesti » 2020-05-16, 7:28

(hu) Különös
Particular, special...
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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-05-21, 12:36

(kv-kpv) тӧдса / tödsa
famous, well-known

(тӧдны / tödny = to know)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-05-21, 13:25

(fi) tietty
certain, sure(ly); known

shortened from tiedetty:
tietää - to know
-tU - past passive participle

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-05-21, 14:26

(et) täitsa
completely, wholly

(täis = full)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-05-23, 4:51

(mhr) темаш / temaš
to fill (transitive)


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