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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-11, 5:03
by Linguaphile
h34 wrote:(et) valimissüsteem
electoral system


(vro) välisministeeriüm
foreign ministry, ministry of foreign affairs

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-15, 13:25
by h34
(myv) омбомастор / ombomastor
foreign country, foreign state
(омбо = foreign, strange, мастор = country, state)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-15, 19:08
by Linguaphile
(liv) vȭrkēļ
foreign language

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 12:32
by h34
(mhr) мутер / muter
dictionary

мут word + -ер nominal suffix (collective nouns)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 12:45
by Naava
(fi) mutteri
nut (fastener)

(From Swedish mutter, from German Mutter)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 13:03
by h34
(et) mutrivõti
wrench

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 18:18
by france-eesti
(hu) violinkulcs
treble clef

(litterally: violin key)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 18:55
by Linguaphile
(et) bassivõti
bass clef

(literally: bass key)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-16, 20:07
by Naava
(fi) C-avain
C-clef

(literally: C key)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 7:51
by france-eesti
(hu) fagott
Bassoon

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 17:07
by Linguaphile
(fi) pasuuna
trombone

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 17:35
by Naava
(fi) trumpetti
trumpet

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 18:00
by Linguaphile
(et) metsasarv
French horn

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 18:35
by Naava
(fi) hirvi
elk (Alces alces)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 18:54
by Linguaphile
(et) hirv
deer (Cervus elaphus)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 19:34
by h34
(kv-kpv) кöр / kör
reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 19:48
by Naava
Linguaphile wrote:(et) hirv
deer (Cervus elaphus)

Ok I decided to check what the names for different kinds of deer are and this is so confusing. Look:

poro
- I was taught in school that this is 'reindeer' in English but looks like that's the closest match rather than a literal translation because the concept doesn't exist in English at all?? :shock:
- basically it's a tamed version of Rangifer tarandus tarandus but IMO if you're going to call them by the same name, then we should start calling dogs 'wolves' too (ok I'm just kidding here)
- here's a pic:
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peura
- also a reindeer (???)
- I'm pretty sure we were taught it's a deer in school (??????)
- fancy name: Rangifer tarandus
- here's a prototypical peura (in my opinion):
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kauris
- roe deer (how is this a deer and not a reindeer wtf)
- looks like a peura to me except that if I see an animal like this, I know it must be a peura because roe deer live only in Southern Finland
- a pic:
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hirvi
- elk in BrE, moose in AmE, except that American and European hirvi are different (sub)species so that's not quite accurate
- here's a hirvi in its natural habitat aka waiting in the bushes until you get closer, then crossing the road by jumping in front of your car & giving everyone involved a heart attack
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saksanhirvi
- literally German elk/moose
- lat. Cervus elaphus
- why is this a deer in English???
- it's just like a hirvi but with fancier antlers
► Show Spoiler


kanadanhirvi
- Cervus canadensis
- lit. Canadian elk/moose
- that's what the Americans mean when they say elk
- why why why
- just stop borrowing words from every single language that exists and we could avoid moose/elk problems
- no pic because I don't have a prototypical image of whatever you want to call them because they don't live here

This was completely offtopic but I hope it was educational.

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-17, 20:16
by Linguaphile
Naava wrote:
Linguaphile wrote:(et) hirv
deer (Cervus elaphus)

Ok I decided to check what the names for different kinds of deer are and this is so confusing. Look:

poro
- I was taught in school that this is 'reindeer' in English but looks like that's the closest match rather than a literal translation because the concept doesn't exist in English at all?? :shock:
- basically it's a tamed version of Rangifer tarandus tarandus but IMO if you're going to call them by the same name, then we should start calling dogs 'wolves' too (ok I'm just kidding here)
- here's a pic:
► Show Spoiler


peura
- also a reindeer (???)
- I'm pretty sure we were taught it's a deer in school (??????)
- fancy name: Rangifer tarandus
- here's a prototypical peura (in my opinion):
► Show Spoiler


kauris
- roe deer (how is this a deer and not a reindeer wtf)
- looks like a peura to me except that if I see an animal like this, I know it must be a peura because roe deer live only in Southern Finland
- a pic:
► Show Spoiler


hirvi
- elk in BrE, moose in AmE, except that American and European hirvi are different (sub)species so that's not quite accurate
- here's a hirvi in its natural habitat aka waiting in the bushes until you get closer, then crossing the road by jumping in front of your car & giving everyone involved a heart attack
► Show Spoiler


saksanhirvi
- literally German elk/moose
- lat. Cervus elaphus
- why is this a deer in English???
- it's just like a hirvi but with fancier antlers
► Show Spoiler


kanadanhirvi
- Cervus canadensis
- lit. Canadian elk/moose
- that's what the Americans mean when they say elk
- why why why
- just stop borrowing words from every single language that exists and we could avoid moose/elk problems
- no pic because I don't have a prototypical image of whatever you want to call them because they don't live here

This was completely offtopic but I hope it was educational.


Yeah. I know that Estonian hirv is deer (except when it's elk lol), but I will probably never manage to keep straight the cognates in the other languages - which is elk and which is deer and which can be both and so on.
I don't even worry about the moose/elk thing. Deer/elk seems to be confusing enough in Finnic languages.
At one point I thought I had it straight that the cognates of hirv and põder were simply reversed in some of the languages, but it's more complicated than that. There's overlap and there's the scientific taxonomy and there's popular usage which doesn't really follow scientific taxonomy. There's local animals with native names and there's distant animals named by analogy. Long story short, I'm always getting the non-Estonian cognates of hirv and põder mixed up with each other and probably always will!


Oops, I forgot which thread I'm in. So here is the next word:
(et) põhjapõder
reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)


As for what people tend to think, I think in the US there are probably quite a few people who would be surprised to learn that reindeer are real animals rather than mythical animals that fly. I mean, first kids are surprised to learn that Santa doesn't really exist, then a bit later they are surprised to learn that reindeer actually do. The whole Christmas-gift-delivery thing makes it quite confusing.
by the way: põhjapõder "northern põder" is "reindeer" (Rangifer tarandus), while your average non-põhja põder is "elk, moose" (Alces alces)

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-18, 20:48
by h34
(kv-kpv) кöра-даддя / köra-daddja
reindeer sleigh

Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Posted: 2020-02-18, 21:25
by Linguaphile
(smi-smk) пуазшэ / puadzše
to be considered rich in reindeer; to be seen as having a good herd