Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2019-12-26, 16:38

(lud) laged
wide open expanse, (large and) empty, bare (such as of the open sea or clear sky above empty flat land, where you can see very far because nothing obstructs the view)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2019-12-29, 13:48

(mhr) кавадӱр / kavadür
horizon

кава/kava = sky
дӱр/dür < тӱр/tür = edge

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Antea » 2019-12-29, 13:53

(vep) Tähtaz
Star

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2019-12-29, 14:08

(fi) tähdenlento
shooting star

(tähti - star, lentää - to fly, lento - flight, flying)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2019-12-29, 16:29

(vro) tähistü
alphabet

(from tähť, which means both "star" and "letter of the alphabet")

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2019-12-29, 17:40

(fi) tähdistö
constellation

tähti = star, -stO = a group made of X, a collection of X

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2019-12-29, 18:39

Linguaphile wrote:(vro) tähistü
alphabet


Naava wrote:(fi) tähdistö
constellation

tähti = star, -stO = a group made of X, a collection of X

:woohoo:
The etymology of (vro) tähistü (and (et) tähestik) is exactly the same as the etymology of (fi) tähdistö. The suffix -stö/-sto in Finnish is -stik in Estonian and -stü/-stu in Võro.
(et) täht and (vro) tähť both have a double meaning of both "star" and "letter of the alphabet". (This video makes a nice pun of that: at 50 seconds in, Mõmmi draws "tähed" and some of them are stars but others are letters of the alphabet; they're all mixed together.)
Anyway, it therefore makes sense that a "collection of täht" (tähestik, tähistü) should mean an alphabet (a collection of letters). But I have always thought it should also mean a constellation (a collection of stars) and it doesn't. "Constellation" is (et) tähtkuju and (vro) tähťkujo (star-figure) instead.
So I'm delighted to learn that tähdistö does indeed mean "constellation" in Finnish!
(But... what then is a niinistö? A collection of niin...? :hmm: )

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2019-12-29, 23:14

Linguaphile wrote:"Constellation" is (et) tähtkuju and (vro) tähťkujo (star-figure) instead.

Finnish has tähtikuvio but it's not quite the same as constellation: it's a subtype of asterism. The main difference is that asterism can have stars from one or more constellations, whereas tähtikuvio has stars from only one constellation.


But... what then is a niinistö? A collection of niin...? :hmm:

Nice idea, but sadly no! :) It comes from niini, 'bast fibre'. (Weeell, it's niin in Estonian so you were kinda right!) It can also refer to niinipuu, 'linden' (Tilia cordata).

FYI if you're interested in the surname Niinistö:
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(fi) seula
sieve, sifter

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-01-02, 0:21

(et) mälu
memory

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Postby Linguaphile » 2020-01-02, 3:01

(et) mälusopp
corner of memory (lit., "memory-pouch")

And Naava, thanks for the info about the name Niinistö. :D

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-01-03, 21:36

(mhr) ушыш кондаш / ušõš kondaš
to remember, to recall

уш / uš = mind
ушыш / ušõš = into the mind
кондаш / kondaš = to bring

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby voron » 2020-01-03, 21:56

h34 wrote:(mhr) ушыш кондаш / ušõš kondaš
to remember, to recall

уш / uš = mind
ушыш / ušõš = into the mind
кондаш / kondaš = to bring

Curious interlinguistic coincidence: this is exactly the same way how Kurdish (Kurmanji) phrases it.
bibîranîn - to recall, to remember
bîr - mind
bibîr - into the mind
anîn - to bring
https://glosbe.com/ku/en/bib%C3%AEran%C3%AEn

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-01-03, 23:53

(et) meeldejääv
catchy, easy to remember, memorable

(meel mind, so meelde into the mind;
jääma to stay, so jääv staying)

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-01-05, 11:41

voron wrote:Curious interlinguistic coincidence: this is exactly the same way how Kurdish (Kurmanji) phrases it.
bibîranîn - to recall, to remember
bîr - mind
bibîr - into the mind
anîn - to bring
https://glosbe.com/ku/en/bib%C3%AEran%C3%AEn

That's interesting, thanks for the link! I've browsed a bit and had the impression that noun-verb collocations are quite common in Kurmanji, as in Mari and Udmurt, e. g. kar kirin 'to work' (literally perhaps 'to do work'?), Mari пашам ышташ: пашам 'work' (noun in the accusative), ышташ 'to do'. In Udmurt, the verb for 'to do' even looks quite similar to kirin: карыны. Тау карыны = 'to thank' (lit. 'to do a thanking'). According to Wiktionary, it might be a borrowing from an Indo-Iranian language.

Linguaphile wrote:(et) meeldejääv
catchy, easy to remember, memorable

(meel mind, so meelde into the mind;
jääma to stay, so jääv staying)


(et) pöidlareegel
rule of thumb

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-01-05, 17:05

h34 wrote:In Udmurt, the verb for 'to do' even looks quite similar to kirin: карыны. Тау карыны = 'to thank' (lit. 'to do a thanking'). According to Wiktionary, it might be a borrowing from an Indo-Iranian language.

Interesting, thanks!

(et) pöidlaküüt
hitchhiked ride

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby h34 » 2020-01-06, 20:35

(udm) гужем каникул / gužem kanikul
summer holidays/vacation

гужем summer, каникул holidays, vacation, ru каникулы

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-01-07, 14:38

(liv) novvõmizõl
on vacation

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Antea » 2020-01-07, 14:59

(vep) videnz'päiv
Friday

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Linguaphile » 2020-01-08, 2:12

(vep) radpäiv
workday

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Re: Uralic Languages Word-Association Game

Postby Naava » 2020-01-08, 7:11

(fi) arki
1. ordinary, mundane or non-special days in life; everyday life
2. (in adverbs) weekday, working day


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