Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby atalarikt » 2018-03-22, 11:06

Luís wrote:What exactly will be the name of the new Sami + minority Uralic languages forum? :hmm:

Either, "Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages" or "Other Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages". I'll wait for others to talk about this.
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Luís » 2018-03-22, 11:18

So basically here's what came out of the polls so far:

    :arrow: The flags will stay
    :arrow: The Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian forums will be kept unchanged
    :arrow: The Sami forum will be merged with minority Uralic languages (name and flag(s) to be defined)
    :arrow: The Hebrew forum will remain as it is
    :arrow: The NAIL forum won't be split

It's not so obvious when it comes to Caucasian and other Semitic languages, though... :hmm:
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-22, 11:57

Unfortunately, I still want a NAIL split.

As I recall saying, I'd be the tie breaker in the Hebrew/Semitic poll. I just want to see what the feeling is on having language family forums or just general/geographic merger forums before making a determination.

Georgian/Caucasian may require another round or something.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-03-22, 12:12

atalarikt wrote:
Luís wrote:What exactly will be the name of the new Sami + minority Uralic languages forum? :hmm:

Either, "Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages" or "Other Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages". I'll wait for others to talk about this.

"Finno-Ugric" is kind of an outdated term. There's nothing wrong with just "Uralic languages."
księżycowy wrote:As I recall saying, I'd be the tie breaker in the Hebrew/Semitic poll. I just want to see what the feeling is on having language family forums or just general/geographic merger forums before making a determination.

Same. I'm also concerned about whether having family-specific forums is going to be restricted to Eurasian languages or not (and even if it is, whether it's going to be that way for good reason).
Georgian/Caucasian may require another round or something.

I feel the same way about Georgian/Caucasian as I do about Hebrew/Semitic.
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-22, 12:13

Which is.....?

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-03-22, 12:16

IMO either we should split up the Caucasian languages by family, making Georgian into a Kartvelian subforum, or we should make one big Caucasian forum.

In general, whether I agree with splitting up languages by family depends not only on what others think but also on how consistently we're doing that and why.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-22, 13:02

I agree wholeheartedly.

Ideally we should be consistent.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Linguaphile » 2018-03-22, 13:11

vijayjohn wrote:
atalarikt wrote:
Luís wrote:What exactly will be the name of the new Sami + minority Uralic languages forum? :hmm:

Either, "Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages" or "Other Uralic/Finno-Ugric Languages". I'll wait for others to talk about this.

"Finno-Ugric" is kind of an outdated term. There's nothing wrong with just "Uralic languages."

"Finno-Ugric" is actually still very commonly-used, not outdated. But it does have some disadvantages: sometimes the Samoyedic languages are excluded from "Finno-Ugric" and it has various spellings in English ("Finno-Ugric," "Finno-Ugrian," and less often "Fenno-Ugric," etc.). So although it's often used, it's less consistent in spelling and meaning. I'm fine with "Uralic languages" or with using both.

Edit:
Interesting: I just tried a Google search to see which terms are most common.
In English, "Uralic languages" has four times as many hits as "Finno-Ugric languages."
In Estonian, it's the other way around: "soome-ugri keelte" has three times as many hits as "uurali keelte."
There are also recently-published and soon-to-be-published academic materials in English that use both terms.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Luís » 2018-03-22, 19:03

OK, the Uralic Languages forum is now a reality (I've moved all flagged threads there as well) :yeah!:

Also, the "Creole Languages" forum has changed to "Creoles and Pidgins"
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-22, 19:08

Luís wrote:Also, the "Creole Languages" forum has changed to "Creoles and Pidgins"

I thought that happened a few weeks ago though. :P

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Salajane » 2018-03-22, 19:18

Luís wrote:OK, the Uralic Languages forum is now a reality (I've moved all flagged threads there as well) :yeah!:

I just noticed the new forum. Thank you so much! :D
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Naava » 2018-03-22, 19:23

Thanks, Luís!

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby atalarikt » 2018-03-22, 21:21

Luís wrote:OK, the Uralic Languages forum is now a reality (I've moved all flagged threads there as well) :yeah!:

Also, the "Creole Languages" forum has changed to "Creoles and Pidgins"

¡Muchas gracias! Muito obrigado!
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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby Linguaphile » 2018-03-22, 23:09

Irusia wrote:
Luís wrote:OK, the Uralic Languages forum is now a reality (I've moved all flagged threads there as well) :yeah!:

I just noticed the new forum. Thank you so much! :D

Yes, thank you! Giitu! Tienū! Aitjumma! Takkâ! Tšiitoᴢ!

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-03-22, 23:42

Kiitos! :)

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-23, 0:01

Judging from your message there Vijay, I thought I'd put this link here: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=52854#p1104809

Feel free to answer here or there.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-03-23, 0:03

Lol

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-23, 0:11

I wrote:How would you like to settle this whole language family vs geographic grouping, Vijay-san?

Poll or just discussion?


Vijay wrote:It will have to be a gradual discussion since it's about all the languages of the world, not just the Caucasian ones. That doesn't mean you (or anybody else :P) can't still make multiple polls, too, though!


Just to be clearer, I meant the whole thing. Not just for Caucasian languages.

Hence why I'm moving it here.

And, once again, I wholeheartedly agree.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-03-23, 0:23

Yeah, I know you mean the whole thing. :)

I'll see if I can talk about some of the stuff we'd need to consider in more detail (i.e. beyond what I said here) on Sunday and/or Monday since that's when my weekend is.

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Re: Language Subforums Management Discussion 2018

Postby księżycowy » 2018-03-23, 0:35

Ok. Sounds like a plan.

I just hope it turns out to be more than just us two talking now that the others got their Uralic subforum. :P


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