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Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2014-11-29, 16:42
by Michael
IpseDixit wrote:But if the result is that you're still not fluent, can you tell me the difference from a person who's not fluent and did not get to learn the language at home from a young age through constant use and immersion? Why should it be important for someone to know that you had that opportunity, if nonetheless you can't speak it fluently?
Are you referring to me or razlem? Just because I said I supported it, doesn't mean I did for the same reason as he did.
I personally would want people to know I "had that opportunity", because otherwise they will think I learnt it through a book.
I think it makes quite a bit of a difference. Four golden stars in American English, for instance, would not sound the same as four regular ones in it. Are you implying we should downright sack the golden stars? Because that's what it looks like to me.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2014-11-29, 17:21
by Car
Saim wrote:Exactly. I know Serbian baby-talk, birthday songs and other elements of the language that are obscure for even most advanced learners, but I've had to approach formal Serbian (news, academic texts, etc.) as if it were a foreign language. It's hard to explain to someone who's not in that situation, but it's rotally different to a real "foreign language", and not just for identity reasons.
It's not that difficult to understand if you've heard heritage speakers speak, whether it's your own language or a foreign language you already know well enough to be able to judge. E.g. there were two part-French girls in one French course I took. Both had obviously grown up with the language, but whereas the one seemed to speak it just fine as far as I could tell, the other one was speaking extremely fast and colloquial on the one hand (too colloquial, actually, she got some "friendly" corrections for that), while searching for words forever at other times. Usually, she didn't participate much, but when our teacher asked us how certain things in France are, she usually was the only one who could answer this which meant that often, she'd be asked straight away. Sure, that's cultural knowledge, but a certain linguistic knowledge comes with that, too. She did grow up with that language and culture after all, even if not fully.
Relatives of mine used to live in France and when they moved back to Germany, they were worried that their kids might have problems at school because they only had received their education in French until then. They spoke only German at home (even the siblings among each other), but yet they were worried. Had they grown up in Germany until then, that wouldn't have been an issue. They definitely were native speakers even then, but not at the same level as anyone growing up in Germany would have been.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2014-11-30, 0:04
by vijayjohn
It may not just be for identity reasons, but I don't see why that hurts as a reason either.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-20, 20:40
by vijayjohn
I suddenly realized a little while ago that the flag used on UniLang for Neapolitan is not the flag of Naples but rather the flag of North Ossetia-Alania.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-20, 21:54
by Michael
vijayjohn wrote:I suddenly realized a little while ago that the flag used on UniLang for Neapolitan is not the flag of Naples but rather the flag of North Ossetia-Alania.
It resembles that flag but the flag used for Neapolitan now is an informal flag. It's supposed to be a flag for Southern Italy, so I got it changed to that. The flag used for Neapolitan used to be the flag of the City of Naples, but I decided that that didn't represent the true diversity of Southern Italian dialects.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-20, 22:26
by vijayjohn
Aóristos wrote:vijayjohn wrote:I suddenly realized a little while ago that the flag used on UniLang for Neapolitan is not the flag of Naples but rather the flag of North Ossetia-Alania.
It resembles that flag but the flag used for Neapolitan now is an informal flag. It's supposed to be a flag for Southern Italy, so I got it changed to that. The flag used for Neapolitan used to be the flag of the City of Naples, but I decided that that didn't represent the true diversity of Southern Italian dialects.
Oh huh, OK. Thanks.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-21, 0:12
by TeneReef
I have just added (too) many languages.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-21, 0:19
by Levike
TeneReef wrote:I have just added (too) many languages.
Maaaybe. *Insert schocked emoji*
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-21, 1:03
by Michael
TeneReef wrote:I have just added (too) many languages.
To what, exactly? To the Language List? Which ones?
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-01-21, 1:34
by vijayjohn
Levike wrote:schocked
Aóristos wrote:TeneReef wrote:I have just added (too) many languages.
To what, exactly? To the Language List? Which ones?
I think he means to his own list of languages on his profile.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-07-22, 3:54
by Bubulus
Could somebody change the native name of Classical Chinese from "文言文" to simply 文言? Thanks.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-07-27, 22:20
by md0
Serafín wrote:Could somebody change the native name of Classical Chinese from "文言文" to simply 文言? Thanks.
I pushed a patch for that, and also to add tr-CY. But for that last addition I couldn't find where the flags for each tag are defined.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-08-20, 17:52
by Multiturquoise
Could you also add Khakas, Shor, Khalaj, Dolgan, Salar, Old Uyghur and Old Turkic? And also change the native name and the flag of Ottoman Turkish? And change Kumyk's code from "ksk" to "kum".
Native name: Хакас тілі
Language: Khakas
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Flag_of_Khakassia.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Khakassia.svg.png[/ownflag]
ISO: kjh
Native name: Шор тили
Language: Shor
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Shor_flag.svg/1280px-Shor_flag.svg.png[/ownflag]
ISO: cjs
Native name: Дулҕан
Language: Dolgan
Flag: [flag=]nio[/flag] (Same as Nganasan)
ISO: dlg
Native name: Salırça
Language: Salar
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/SalarflagBIGmavibayrak.jpg[/ownflag]
ISO: slr
Native name: (I couldn't find)
Language: Old Uyghur
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Uyghur_Khganate_Flag.jpg[/ownflag]
ISO: oui
Native name: (I couldn't find)
Language: Old Turkic
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Gok1.png[/ownflag]
ISO: otk
Native name: Arghu
Language: Khalaj
Flag: [ownflag=]http://www.oocities.org/rooyintan/persia/khalaj_ethnic.jpg[/ownflag]
ISO: klj
To be changed:
Native name: عثمانلیجه
Language: Ottoman Turkish
Flag: [ownflag=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Flag_of_the_Ottoman_Caliphate_%281844%E2%80%931923%29.svg/1024px-Flag_of_the_Ottoman_Caliphate_%281844%E2%80%931923%29.svg.png[/ownflag]
ISO: ota
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-09, 14:00
by Pikkuali
Noticed that the finno-ugric language "meänkieli" is not in the list. Its official minority language in Sweden. And kven language is not in the list either, its official minority language in Norway. This is the flag used as symbol for meänkieli:
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-23, 11:18
by Pozoi
Can you add "Kaikavian literary language" or "Kajkavski književni jezik" to the list?
Its ISO 639-3 code is "kjv".
http://www-01.sil.org/iso639%2D3/docume ... asp?id=kjvIt is classified as "historical", but works in it are permanently presented in public (like dramas in theatres, holy mass in churches, or other literature works), and it is intelligible to native Kaikavian speakers.
Thank You.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-23, 12:47
by Saim
How about just "Kajkavian" which would include both the historical literary language and the modern vernaculars?
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-23, 13:02
by Pozoi
Saim wrote:How about just "Kajkavian" which would include both the historical literary language and the modern vernaculars?
That would be great! Kajkavski or Kajkavian.
Where i prefer
Kaikavian, because it keeps the original root KAI, which is now writen KAJ, but it was also written KAI before, and in English
Kajkavian is pronounced like "Kadzkavian", which is not true to the root KAI.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-23, 15:07
by Saim
Pa i to može.
Uvek sam pisao "Kajkavian" pošto je to oblik koji upotrebljava engleska Vikipedija, ali "Kaikavian" ima više smisla.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-09-24, 22:21
by Pikkuali
oh, and the meänkieli language code 639-3 is: fit.
Re: "My languages" options
Posted: 2015-10-05, 18:39
by proycon
Added meänkieli, Kajkavian, and some of the others.