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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-19, 17:43

księżycowy wrote:I'm curious if we can do something about the colors that indicate if we can offer help, or what help.

I ask because if I view my language list from my desktop I can't really tell that Biblical Hebrew is "highlighted". Now granted, I can kinda see it on the mobile site. It's because I have both boxes checked ("can help" and "want help") so the colors overlap to make a kind of beige or something.

I'm sure this is a special case, but still worth asking about. :)


You know, the way a color is rendered depends a lot on the browser / device. I can try to see if I can change it to a more "obvious" color, but I'll have to do some tests first. I didn't even know people actually used this feature... :P
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 17:45

So of us do, other's don't.

Thanks Luís. :)

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 17:46

Luís wrote:Languages were added over the years by several different people, some inconsistencies are bound to happen.

Sure, we (I :P ) can make all the naming uniform, but it's probably going to take a while...

I'd be happy to help in anyway I can. :)

Sorry to ask so much of you.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-19, 18:56

księżycowy wrote:it should be organized by some guiding principles


What exactly did you have in mind?
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 19:02

Basically, I think we should decide how we want the entries to be listed. I don't have any particular set up in mind aside from the two options we've seen in it thus far:
Wu Chinese
Chinese, Wu
Should we do a poll? I'd like more than my input here ideally.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-19, 19:48

Sure, go ahead.
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Postby dEhiN » 2018-02-19, 19:52

The system I adopted for the Used Songs thread was to use a comma.
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As you can see, in cases where a second identifier is needed, I used brackets. However in the tooltip, because I can't add commas, I put the identifier before.
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-02-19, 19:54

księżycowy wrote:For example, as far as I'm aware Cantonese and Taiwanese are only written in traditional characters.

IIRC Cantonese and Minnan nowadays are both written in simplified in the PRC outside Hong Kong (Minnan in a broad sense definitely is).
And yes, i know that some dialects aren't written much now-a-days. Which makes the distinction even more baffling.

I'd think they were written more now than they used to be.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-19, 20:09

dEhiN wrote:The system I adopted for the Used Songs thread was to use a comma.


I have to admit I don't like the look of things such as "English, American" or "Spanish, Mexican" but maybe that's because I'm not used to it... :hmm:
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby dEhiN » 2018-02-19, 20:17

Luís wrote:
dEhiN wrote:The system I adopted for the Used Songs thread was to use a comma.


I have to admit I don't like the look of things such as "English, American" or "Spanish, Mexican" but maybe that's because I'm not used to it... :hmm:

Well to be fair, it's not common. Using commas is in some situations, such as for lists of personal names. But it's rare to see in a list of language varieties.
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 20:22

Yeah, personally I'm not a big fan of the comma scheme.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby OldBoring » 2018-02-19, 20:25

I'm the responsible for those entries in the Used songs thread. And then later David followed suit. Basically I wanted to make a compromise between those who considered Chinese languages as different languages and those who considered Chinese to be a single language.
I still grouped all the Chinese languages under "Chinese", but then grouped each variety/language separately.

Cantonese and Minnan are definitely also written in Simplified. Cantonese is not spoken only in Hong Kong, but in Guangdong and Guangxi province as well. Minnan is not spoken only in Taiwan but in Fujian province as well.
Not to mention Malaysia, Singapore etc. where they also use simplified script.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 20:28

Well, I stand corrected on the simplified version traditional issue. Thanks Vijay and OB. :)

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-19, 20:30

księżycowy wrote:So of us do, other's don't.

Thanks Luís. :)


I changed the color scheme a little bit, not sure if it's much better now though... :lol:
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-19, 20:33

Oh, that is much better! At least you can tell it's highlighted now!

Thanks, Luís. :)

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby dEhiN » 2018-02-19, 20:38

księżycowy wrote:Yeah, personally I'm not a big fan of the comma scheme.

I decided to do it that way in the Used Songs Thread because I thought it would look better for what's supposed to be an alphabetized list. For example, I figured that something like

Bulgarian
Mandarin Chinese

would look worse than

Bulgarian
Chinese, Mandarin

and so I renamed all the songs to fit the comma scheme (plus did other cleanup things, like added tooltips for accessibility).
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-02-19, 20:42

OldBoring wrote:Minnan is not spoken only in Taiwan but in Fujian province as well.

And Guangdong! Chaozhou is in Guangdong, after all.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby OldBoring » 2018-02-19, 20:46

vijayjohn wrote:
OldBoring wrote:Minnan is not spoken only in Taiwan but in Fujian province as well.

And Guangdong! Chaozhou is in Guangdong, after all.

Yea I forgot. And Hainanese is also a variety of Minnan. But most Chinese actually think of Hokkien (Minnan from Fujian) when they hear Minnan. :P

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Karavinka » 2018-02-20, 5:08

księżycowy wrote:
Karavinka wrote:(Though when it comes to Mandarin, I thought the Mainland/Taiwan division was based on the script?)

Speaking of Chinese script, does anyone else think it's weird that we have traditional and simplified script for the other Chinese languages?

For example, as far as I'm aware Cantonese and Taiwanese are only written in traditional characters. I can't speak to other Chinese languages, but these two I'm pretty sure of. I'm reasonably sure Hakka is the same.

And yes, i know that some dialects aren't written much now-a-days. Which makes the distinction even more baffling.

Perhaps we can leave it as the name of the specific variety of Chinese (picking the most accepted native spelling) and pick the best flag to go with it?

Also, can we maybe decide on a general naming scheme? It's awkward to see "Wu Chinese" instead of "Chinese, Wu" and then "Kurdish, Sorani" instead of "Sorani Kurdish" (just for examples).


I almost want to suggest just getting rid of those script-based distinctions (call me a deletionist lol) but well, at least some people are using them, especially with Mandarin. I'm actually surprised nobody suggested Pe̍h-ōe-jī as an alternative script for Min Nan already.
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-20, 10:12

I could still see getting rid of the traditional/simplified distinction for most varieties working. Only problem is Mandarin.

I was trying to free up the list a little bit. :P

In list naming related news, I am starting to come around to the comma. It would be nice to see, for example, the variaties of Arabic right next to each other on someone's profile rather than have to find the E's for Egyptian, S's for Standard, etc.

Since I suggested a poll, I'll set one up today at some point, and run it for a week. Only question I have is, do I do it here, or start a new thread?

Karavinka wrote:I'm actually surprised nobody suggested Pe̍h-ōe-jī as an alternative script for Min Nan already.

I'm tossing around the idea of learning some Taiwanese (Hokkien) this summer, and (when I do actually learn it) inevitably will be using Peh-oe-ji, but I'd hardly suggest adding it to the list. I think the Minnan entry does justice enough.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing a "Taiwanese" entry, similar to our "Cantonese" entry. :P


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