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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Karavinka » 2018-01-13, 18:02

Something I forgot to mention: It's the same reason why I never asked for North Korean, even though it's a national standard variety with a government backing it. It's just impractical, unless we recruit a member who is from there, or someone who is so dedicated and decided to learn that variant to model one's Korean after it, there wouldn't be much point behind it.
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Postby Michael » 2018-01-13, 20:51

vijayjohn wrote:
Michael wrote:Also, now that I've been reminded of it from viewing the Language List, the English name for (el_KA) should be Greek, Puristic, as "Greek, Katharevousa" (i.e. Katharevousa Greek) sounds somewhat redundant,
Katharevousa on its own already meaning "Puristic Greek". I don't know what I was thinking when I had first suggested that way back when. :oops:

I'm going to suggest just Katharevousa over either of those two. That's the only term I've almost ever seen for it in English.

"I object, your honor!" It's unnecessary for it to be listed as "Katharevousa", no matter that that appellation is more common, because most anybody who can read Greek will be able to read the autonym that says as much. I was gonna suggest we settle for the compromise of Greek, Puristic i.e. Katharevousa, but that's way too long of a language name, unnecessarily at that. I mean, we don't list [Modern] Greek as "Dhimotikí", now do we.
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-01-13, 21:19

Michael wrote:It's unnecessary for it to be listed as "Katharevousa", no matter that that appellation is more common, because most anybody who can read Greek will be able to read the autonym that says as much.

Couldn't you make that same argument for most of the languages in the list, though?

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Postby Michael » 2018-01-13, 22:44

vijayjohn wrote:
Michael wrote:It's unnecessary for it to be listed as "Katharevousa", no matter that that appellation is more common, because most anybody who can read Greek will be able to read the autonym that says as much.

Couldn't you make that same argument for most of the languages in the list, though?

At this point, I have my opinion and you have yours, so I guess we'll just have to let Luís arbitrate this matter.
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Postby księżycowy » 2018-01-13, 22:50

If my opinion means anything to anyone, I see no reason to start ceating our own designations. If there is a term in common usage, it makes sense to stick to it in my eyes.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-01-13, 23:13

:yep:

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Postby Michael » 2018-01-14, 2:24

księżycowy wrote:If my opinion means anything to anyone, I see no reason to start ceating our own designations. If there is a term in common usage, it makes sense to stick to it in my eyes.

[sarcasm]Yeah. Like Farsi, for example.[/sarcasm]
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Postby księżycowy » 2018-01-14, 5:23

Yeah, that is why it's called "Persian", and not "Farsi". Granted, "Farsi" is gaining traction in English, but it hasn't displaced the old standard. And that's not even like the English usage of "Puristic Greek" vs. "Katharevousa"! There is no other widely accepted term but "Katharevousa".

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Postby Michael » 2018-01-14, 5:40

księżycowy wrote:Yeah, that is why it's called "Persian", and not "Farsi".

In theory, yes, of course. In practice, however, it seems "Farsi" (not to mention "Dari") has largely won out over "Persian" among Anglophones, and I've lost hope that English-speakers will ever grow out of this habit. I mean, when even esteemed universities have begun using the "Farsi" appellation, that's when you know you've passed the point of no return.

EDIT: You added further to your post, essentially ninja-ing me. :P
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Postby vijayjohn » 2018-01-14, 5:43

I'm pretty sure "Farsi" has not won out over "Persian" by this point in English. We've kind of talked about the whole Farsi vs. Persian deal before. In addition to what księżycowy said, there's the problem that native speakers of the language are sometimes strongly opposed to calling it "Farsi" in English even if that's what they would call it in Persian, since the [f] in "Farsi" is the product of influence from Arabic.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-01-16, 19:24

Michael wrote:The autonym for (sq-ALS) Tosk Albanian should be Toskërisht, not Toskë, which is either an adjective in the masculine plural or a noun meaning "the Tosk men", and not a language name with the characteristic -isht(e, -ja) ending.


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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2018-01-16, 19:50

Yay.....

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Postby Salajane » 2018-01-19, 11:23

English name: Kuman
Native name: the same??
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-01-20, 21:49

Irusia wrote:English name: Kuman
Native name: the same??
ISO: kue
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Salajane » 2018-01-20, 23:15

Luís wrote:
Irusia wrote:English name: Kuman
Native name: the same??
ISO: kue
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Postby dEhiN » 2018-02-01, 4:50

Could we make language codes for the dialects of Komi? There's a used FSC song in the dialect Komi-Zyrian. It's also called just Zyrian.
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Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-01, 10:24

And here I thought we were trying to be economical with the list. :P

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2018-02-01, 11:17

dEhiN wrote:Could we make language codes for the dialects of Komi? There's a used FSC song in the dialect Komi-Zyrian. It's also called just Zyrian.

księżycowy wrote:And here I thought we were trying to be economical with the list. :P


:lol:

Maybe you can simply use Komi?
(I have no idea how different those dialects are or if it makes sense to add them)
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Postby księżycowy » 2018-02-01, 11:24

Especially if they're just being used in the forum song contest.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby dEhiN » 2018-02-01, 13:19

Fair enough, I guess I can do that. And I'll just specify the variety in the descriptor, since anyway the varieties would probably have the same flag. I did think about the economizing of the list, but figured I'd post a request anyway and see the feedback.

By the way, are the Language List and the My languages lists the same? All my requests, even though they've been made in this thread, are really for the Language List, since that's what I use to determine the lang code, etc.
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