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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Elaine » 2017-08-05, 19:39

Some more languages:

English name: Old Anatolian Turkish
Native name: Eski Anadolu Türkçesi
ISO 639-1 code: tr-old
Script used: Arabic
Flag: [ownflag=]https://img04.rl0.ru/de2798241da44e3b358eaa6e98551080/c323x215/img.webme.com/pic/b/bozokkurt/11.buyukselcukludevleti1.jpg[/ownflag]

English name: Jamaican Patois
Native name: Patwa
ISO 639-1 code: jam
Flag: [flag=]jam-JM[/flag]

English name: Barbadian Creole
Native name: Bajan
ISO 639-1 code: bjs
Flag: [flag=]bjs-BB[/flag]

English name: Belizean Creole
Native name: Belize Kriol
ISO 639-1 code: bjs
Flag: [flag=]bzj-BZ[/flag]

English name: Sierra Leonean Creole
Native name: Krio
ISO 639-1 code: kri
Flag: [flag=]kri-SL[/flag]
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2017-08-06, 9:43

Elaine wrote:Some more languages:

English name: Old Anatolian Turkish
Native name: Eski Anadolu Türkçesi
ISO 639-1 code: tr-old
Script used: Arabic
Flag: [ownflag=]https://img04.rl0.ru/de2798241da44e3b358eaa6e98551080/c323x215/img.webme.com/pic/b/bozokkurt/11.buyukselcukludevleti1.jpg[/ownflag]

English name: Jamaican Patois
Native name: Patwa
ISO 639-1 code: jam
Flag: [flag=]jam-JM[/flag]

English name: Barbadian Creole
Native name: Bajan
ISO 639-1 code: bjs
Flag: [flag=]bjs-BB[/flag]

English name: Belizean Creole
Native name: Belize Kriol
ISO 639-1 code: bzj
Flag: [flag=]bzj-BZ[/flag]

English name: Sierra Leonean Creole
Native name: Krio
ISO 639-1 code: kri
Flag: [flag=]kri-SL[/flag]


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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-06, 10:09

Elaine wrote:
English name: Old Anatolian Turkish
Native name: Eski Anadolu Türkçesi
ISO 639-1 code: tr-old
Script used: Arabic

Wait, if the script is Arabic, why is the native name written in the Modern Turkish alphabet (i.e. Latin script)?

Shouldn't the native name (i.e. the name of the language in that form of Turkish, not Modern Turkish) be تُركجٔ ? That seems to be what Wikipedia says anyway.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Saim » 2017-08-06, 14:05

English name: Kajkavian
Native name: kajkavščina
ISO 639 code: kjv

English name: Chakavian
Native name: čakavski
ISO 639 code: hrv-cha

English name: Pahari-Potwari
Native name: پہاڑی-پوٹھواری
Script used: Arabic
ISO 639 code: phr

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2017-08-07, 11:16

Saim wrote:English name: Kajkavian
Native name: kajkavščina
ISO 639 code: kjv

English name: Chakavian
Native name: čakavski
ISO 639 code: hrv-cha

English name: Pahari-Potwari
Native name: پہاڑی-پوٹھواری
Script used: Arabic
ISO 639 code: phr


I need to know which flags to use :) Also, is Chakavian supposed to be created under Croatian?

księżycowy wrote:
Elaine wrote:
English name: Old Anatolian Turkish
Native name: Eski Anadolu Türkçesi
ISO 639-1 code: tr-old
Script used: Arabic

Wait, if the script is Arabic, why is the native name written in the Modern Turkish alphabet (i.e. Latin script)?

Shouldn't the native name (i.e. the name of the language in that form of Turkish, not Modern Turkish) be تُركجٔ ? That seems to be what Wikipedia says anyway.


Well, I'm leaving it as it is until you guys figure it out ;)
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-07, 11:29

That's fine, I guess.

Upon browsing the Turkish language version of wikipedia they have it written as both
تركجه
and
تركي

Where as the English language article has
تُركجٔ
(With Arabic diacritics)

Huh. :hmm:

I mean, ultimately I'm not going to study the language anyway, but Idk. I guess I wanted to make sure. :P

For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Anatolian_Turkish
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eski_Anad ... k%C3%A7esi

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 9:01

I'm going to hesitantly suggest the flag of Međimurje County for Kajkavian, because this seems to be the largest political entity that is entirely(?) Kajkavian-speaking:
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and the flag of Primorje-Gorski Kotar County for Chakavian for basically the same reason (largest Chakavian-speaking entity?):
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And yes, the idea that Chakavian is a variety of Croatian seems to be considered uncontroversial since it's spoken almost entirely within Croatian territory.

I'm not sure what to do about Pahari-Potwari. Maybe just use the Pakistani flag?

For Old Anatolian Turkish, I think going with تُركجٔ makes the most sense as suggested on the English Wikipedia. The other two options تركجه and تركي are just names for Turkish written in Ottoman script. Old Anatolian Turkish apparently used those vowel diacritics, so تُركجٔ is probably how the language name would have been spelled in that language.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Saim » 2017-08-13, 9:23

I think there is more active use of Chakavian in Istria than in Primorje-Gorski Kotar.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... panije.svg

Failing that, we could just use the Croatian flag for both Chakavian and Kaikavian.

For Pahari-Pothohari you could use the flag of Pakistan-administered Kashmir.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ashmir.svg

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-13, 10:14

Speaking of flags for dialect specific areas, I forgot to do that for the Irish dialects, so:
Munster - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... unster.svg
Connacht - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... nnacht.svg
Ulster - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... Ulster.svg

And, what the hell, I'd like to add a few Japanese dialects, if I may:
English name: Hokkaido-ben
Native name: 北海道弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ho
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg

English name: Tohoku-ben
Native name: 東北弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-to
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag ... ecture.svg

English name: Kanto-ben
Native name: 関東弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ka
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg

English name: Kansai-ben
Native name: 関西弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-kan
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag ... ecture.svg

English name: Hakata-ben
Native name: 博多弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ha
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg

I tried to pick the best representative flag, but some (actually most) of these dialects are spread out across a few prefectures. So a few flag choices are a 50/50 shot between at least two prefectures.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Irusia » 2017-08-13, 13:07

English name: Mandinka
Native name: Mandi'nka kango
ISO 639-3 code: mnk
Flag: Gambia or Senegal

English name: Maninka (or Malinke?)
Native name: Maninkakan
ISO 639-3 code: mku, emk (?), there are many different codes
Flag: Guinea or Mali
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 14:59

księżycowy wrote:And, what the hell, I'd like to add a few Japanese dialects, if I may

I think this is kind of problematic tbh because in Japan, from what I've heard, there's a different dialect spoken every 20 miles or something.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-13, 15:08

I get that. That's why I picked 5 of the major dialect groups. I tried to not get too nitty-gritty.

Where as there are many different dialects in the different dialects areas, I purposefully picked, for example, Kantai-hen (which covers a few prefectures) instead of Osaka-hen (which mainly covers the city). Most dialect areas that i picked have similar features in most (if not all) subdialects spoken in the area. So it seemed more reasonable to go broad.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 16:24

Irusia wrote:English name: Maninka (or Malinke?)
Native name: Maninkakan
ISO 639-3 code: mku, emk (?), there are many different codes
Flag: Guinea or Mali

I'm going to make another few suggestions:

English name: Malinke
ISO code: emk
Flag: Wassoulou Empire or, failing that, Guinea

Malinke seems to be the more common name for this language in English. Malinke-speakers in Mali apparently self-identify with the Bambara people (from p. 5 of this book: "there is a tendency among Malian Maninka to identify themselves with Bamana"), and Wikipedia at least suggests (though without a citation) that "the Wudala dialect of Eastern Maninkaka" is "spoken in the central highlands of Guinea and comprehensible to speakers of all dialects in that country."

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-13, 18:14

I just noticed when posting on the translation thread that the code for Seneca comes up as a ? instead of the flag we had given the the listing: [flag=]see[/flag]

Code: Select all

[flag=]see[/flag]

Oddly enough, the listing in the lang. list still has the correct flag.

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2017-08-13, 20:13

vijayjohn wrote:For Old Anatolian Turkish, I think going with تُركجٔ makes the most sense as suggested on the English Wikipedia. The other two options تركجه and تركي are just names for Turkish written in Ottoman script. Old Anatolian Turkish apparently used those vowel diacritics, so تُركجٔ is probably how the language name would have been spelled in that language.


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Saim wrote:I think there is more active use of Chakavian in Istria than in Primorje-Gorski Kotar.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... panije.svg

Failing that, we could just use the Croatian flag for both Chakavian and Kaikavian.

For Pahari-Pothohari you could use the flag of Pakistan-administered Kashmir.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ashmir.svg


Added Kajkavian, Chakavian (under Croatian) and Pahari-Pothokari.

księżycowy wrote:Speaking of flags for dialect specific areas, I forgot to do that for the Irish dialects, so:
Munster - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... unster.svg
Connacht - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... nnacht.svg
Ulster - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... Ulster.svg


Changed the flags
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Irusia » 2017-08-14, 0:04

English name: Austrian Sign Language
Native name: Österreichische Gebärdensprache (ÖGS)
ISO 639-3: asq

English name: Polish Sign Language
Native name: Polski język migowy (PJM)
ISO 639-3: pso

English name: Hungarian Sign Language
Native name: Magyar Jelnyelv
ISO 639-3: hsh

English name: Romanian Sign Language
Native name: limbajul semnelor (limbajul mimico-gestual) română ???
ISO 639-3: rms

English name: Bulgarian Sign Language
Native name: български жестомимичен език (БЖЕ)
ISO 639-3: bqn
[flag=]uk[/flag] Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
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[flag=]et[/flag] Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby Luís » 2017-08-14, 19:56

księżycowy wrote:
And, what the hell, I'd like to add a few Japanese dialects, if I may:
English name: Hokkaido-ben
Native name: 北海道弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ho
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg

English name: Tohoku-ben
Native name: 東北弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-to
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag ... ecture.svg

English name: Kanto-ben
Native name: 関東弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ka
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg

English name: Kansai-ben
Native name: 関西弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-kan
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag ... ecture.svg

English name: Hakata-ben
Native name: 博多弁
ISO 639-1 code: ja-ha
Script used: Japanese
Flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ecture.svg


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Irusia wrote:English name: Mandinka
Native name: Mandi'nka kango
ISO 639-3 code: mnk
Flag: Gambia or Senegal

English name: Maninka (or Malinke?)
Native name: Maninkakan
ISO 639-3 code: mku, emk (?), there are many different codes
Flag: Guinea or Mali


Added (I used Gambia and Guinea for the flags)

vijayjohn wrote:English name: Malinke
ISO code: emk
Flag: Wassoulou Empire or, failing that, Guinea


Added. I'll see if I can change the flag later on.
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Re: "My languages" options

Postby linguoboy » 2017-08-14, 20:32

English name: Osage
Native name: Wažáže íe
ISO 639-3 code: osa
Script used: Latin, Osage
Flag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Flag_of_the_Osage_Nation_of_Oklahoma.png
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Postby Irusia » 2017-08-14, 21:38

English name: Minderico
Native name: Piação do Ninhou (?)
ISO 639-3: drc
Flag: Portugal (?)

English name: Monégasque
Native name: Munegascu
ISO 639-3: --
Flag: Monaco

English name: Wymysorys or Vilamovian
Native name: Wymysiöeryś
ISO 639-3: wym
Flag: ?

English name: Pontic Greek
Native name: ποντιακά
ISO 639-3: pnt
Flag: Greece
[flag=]uk[/flag] Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
[flag=]en[/flag] Entrust your work to the Lord, and your planning will succeed. (Proverbs 16, 3)
[flag=]et[/flag] Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
siis su kavatsused lähevad korda. (Õpetussõnad 16, 3)
[flag=]es[/flag] Pon en manos del Señor todas tus obras, y tus proyectos se cumplirán. (Proverbios 16, 3)

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Re: "My languages" options

Postby księżycowy » 2017-08-15, 0:33

Thanks for adding the Japanese dialects, Luís! :D

I just noticed that the first character for the native name for Kansai-ben is missing, it should be 関西弁
It probably just got accidentally lost along the way. You've had quite a few requests lately after all.


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