Hello, does someone know which latinised name would receive a case used to indicate the attribute of a copulative verb in a sentence?
Thanks.
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Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:And is there a latinised name for a "case" (which I'm not sure if it would be a case at all) that would be used in sentences with no verb of any kind (e.g. the title of a book; "The Black Cat")?
Thanks for your first answer
md0 wrote:Alternatively, you can call it the nominative case
linguoboy wrote:Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:And is there a latinised name for a "case" (which I'm not sure if it would be a case at all) that would be used in sentences with no verb of any kind (e.g. the title of a book; "The Black Cat")?
Thanks for your first answer
1. If there's no verb, it isn't a "sentence", it's just a noun phrase.
2. Why would you need a distinct case for that?
Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:1. Sorry for my mistake, I was thinking on writing that but I didn't know if "sentence" and "phrase" have the same meaning difference in English as in my native language.
Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:2. I am writing the grammar for my latest conlang, Äverjeŋkyli, a language mainly based in Finnish (at least if you focus on general characteristics). It has got 9 cases, which are: Nominative, Accusative, Dative, Genitive, Relative, Partitive, Postpositional, Vocative and Absolutive/Predicative/ X (the Latinised name I need).
Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:Finally I would be very pleased if you give me some feedback about this characteristic of Averian: no passive sentences nor passive voice on verbs. Why not?, you may be asking yourselves. Recently, while learning German, I heard my teacher talking about the 4 pillars (most important rules) of German, and I decided to set that kind of teaching expression on my conlang while teaching it (which I'm not succesing in but...). So the three pillars of Averian are:
1. All nouns in firstbegin with a capital letter (from German ).
2. Every noun must be declined with a declension or another depending onaccording to its function into the sentence.
(Here comes the one I'm referring to).
3. The conjugation of a verb is never referred toaffected by the one who suffers the action; it's always pointing to the one who does it.
So if the conjugation cannot be referred to a patientive or an accusative, there can't be any passive sentences. What do you think of this characteristic of Averian?
md0 wrote:Alternatively, you can call it the nominative case
linguoboy wrote:I mean, it would depend, wouldn't it? Whether used as a title or for some other purposes, a noun phrase could have any conceivable case depending on its role in an understood complete clause. If "The Black Cat" is the name of an establishment, for instance, the natural case to use would be dative or locative since the understood frame is "This is the establishment at the [sign of the] Black Cat". (Viz. Zur schwarzen Katze, u černé kočky, etc.)
Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:In answer to your idea that, e.g. "The Black Cat" (name of a place), I would use the postpositional case and suffix the postposition to the noun, or the relative case maybe.
linguoboy wrote:1. If there's no verb, it isn't a "sentence", it's just a noun phrase.
Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:there can't be any passive sentences. What do you think of this characteristic of Averian?
linguoboy wrote:Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:1. All nouns in firstbegin with capital letter (from German).
2. Every noun must be declined with a declension or another depending onaccording to its function into the sentence.
(Here comes the one I'm referring to).
3. The conjugation of a verb is never referred toaffected by the one who suffers the action; it's always pointing to the one who does it.
linguaphile wrote:Äverjeŋkyli. wrote:...there can't be any passive sentences. What do you think of this characteristic of Averian?
I think you can make this work. In the case of something like breaking a bone or sneezing, you can use something like "My bone broke" or "I sneezed" or even "My nose/mouth sneezed" or whatever you decide. If your conlang has transitive verbs, you'll have even more options for how to construct those. You could also create an impersonal form that could cover some of the functions that passive takes in other languages (Finnish does that, although not quite in the way you described, so since you said your conlang is mainly based on Finnish you may have already had something like that in mind).
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