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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Koko » 2014-04-22, 14:31

The accusative could be -am. Which is taken from Latin's second declension in the singular accusative. Or if this doesn't work you could use -es(from the 5th dec.). The latter could also be the same for the adjective. ex. (arbitrary examples) piedes cones.- spicy green pepper (cones= spicy). This form fits the plural as well :) -esk


Is there a reason you chose ǐ/ǔ for the semi-vowels? I know that some of the influence on your conlang is from Esperanto, but this kind of use of diacritics is just atrocious(IMO) when between vowels and even initially. Do y and w not make suitable companions? (this is just one of the many things I absolutely hate about eo- unnecessary use of diacritics) Sure it's not my conlang, but I needed to ask.

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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-04-22, 15:28

-am is the first declension in the singular accusative. Yes, I like it.
I prefer to put the plural suffix before the accusative suffix ;) Also the adjective that refers to the noun in accusative takes the accusative form.

I used it to maintain a regular (ĭ and ŭ seem to š or ž as diacritics) and more simple reading: dŭapa or dwapa?

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Maždolhambak rijon - Waterfalls are raining, it rains hard and long.
Ogsŭ hondak algunbeli pisikverson - Even dogs sometimes mewl, everobody makes mistakes.
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Koko » 2014-04-22, 22:21

I see, that makes sense. I must admit that dǔapa looks better than dwapa.

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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby JuxtapositionQMan » 2014-04-23, 0:58

[quote="Koko"I know that some of the influence on your conlang is from Esperanto, but this kind of use of diacritics is just atrocious(IMO) when between vowels and even initially. Do y and w not make suitable companions? (this is just one of the many things I absolutely hate about eo- unnecessary use of diacritics)[/quote]What's the problem with Esperanto's diacritics? I'm not trying to start an argument, but how else do the absurd number of sounds fit in without causing ambiguity somewhere?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Koko » 2014-04-23, 6:18

I would rather answer you, Juxt., through pm so as not to clutter ~jakip's topic :)

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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-04-23, 7:39

I've seen that also -am couldn't be a good way to resolve the accusative problem (avana → avanaam) If do I put um?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Levike » 2014-04-23, 12:16

Why would it be a problem?

You could shorten aa to a to become avanam.
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Kshaard » 2014-04-23, 15:50

JuxtapositionQMan wrote:What's the problem with Esperanto's diacritics? I'm not trying to start an argument, but how else do the absurd number of sounds fit in without causing ambiguity somewhere?
With the phonology of Eo, it is definitely possible to write it using no diacritic marks or added letters, just with the normal Roman alphabet (for example - c > ts; ĉ > tc; ĝ > dj; ĥ > x; j > y; ĵ > j; ŝ > c, ŭ > w). With jakip's phonology, you could easily do something similar (but if you like ŭ and ĭ so much, go ahead and keep them; they do make alright sense).

In regard to the accusative problem, why not make it just -m, with the accusative plural -kam or something? That would make it a bit more convenient.
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Koko » 2014-04-23, 22:30

By -am, I meant that this is the ending as a whole :wink:

So the word avana in the accusative becomes avanam. Essentially it is exactly what Kshaard suggests.

And in regards to eo's diacritics, Kshaard sums it up(my variants differ from those stated, but…)

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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-04-24, 8:04

Yes, I see. Then, -am.
-m → noun and adjective
-am → plural
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-04-27, 16:24

How can I make the passive form?

I mean: do I use an unique suffixe or do I use a compose verb? What could it be the easiest way?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Kshaard » 2014-04-27, 17:02

You can easily manage without a passive.

You could use 'something' or a dummy subject, so for "The light was turned on", you could have
"Someone/something turned on the light."
Or, you could just miss off the subject entirely:
"Turned on the light."
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Ashucky » 2014-05-02, 20:29

If you have a way of deriving adjectives from verbs, that's the easiest way - use adjectives. Like in English, past participles can be used as adjectives sometimes (the flower was watered > the watered flower) but you can use it the other way around and use adjectives instead of past participles. It's what I usually do, use the same forms for both adjectives and when forming passives.
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-05-03, 6:06

Ashucky wrote:If you have a way of deriving adjectives from verbs, that's the easiest way - use adjectives. Like in English, past participles can be used as adjectives sometimes (the flower was watered > the watered flower) but you can use it the other way around and use adjectives instead of past participles. It's what I usually do, use the same forms for both adjectives and when forming passives.

That's the way I've searched until now :waytogo: Resolved passive problem.
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-05-05, 14:42

I need a preposition for "about". Does anyone have an idea where I can find one?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2014-05-07, 11:59

I've chosen uber from "über" in German.
If anyone has an idea I can add or an idea to make a word, please write me on this topic ;)
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2015-11-05, 20:04

Hey there! I'm back again :lol: I've just thought that it was the time to restore my old auxiliary language Kĭelvarta. I'll need your help as always.

Added:
ša: up, on, over

Suggestions for suffixes/prefixes?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby Levike » 2015-11-05, 20:06

~jakip wrote:Suggestions for suffixes/prefixes?

Which ones?
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Re: Kĭelvarta

Postby ~jakip » 2015-11-12, 18:11

Levike wrote:
~jakip wrote:Suggestions for suffixes/prefixes?

Which ones?

I mean, if there are suffixes/prefixes I can add, please tell me.

My aim is to make up a language almost completely with suffixes and prefixes. For instance: maždol-hamb-a-k (lit.: waters that fall - waterfalls), co-muliged-ašv-antl-a (lit.: no opportunities of climbing a tree).
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