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Ditró

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 18:55

Name of the language:
Ditró = inspired from the Transylvanian Hungarian village Ditró.

Inspiration:
Grammar = European and Finno-Ugric
Vocabulary = Inspired from things, brands, names that remind me of that word

Phonology:
ConsonantsVowels
p - /p/ , b - /b/
t - /t/ , d - /d/
k - /k/ , g - /ɡ/
f - /f/ , v - /v/
s - /s/ , z - /z/
j - /j/ , h - /h/
l - /l/ , r - /r/
m - /m/ , n - /n/
ts - /ts/
a - /ɒ/ , á - /a:/
e - /ɛ/ , é - /e:/
i - /i/ , í - /i:/
o - /o/ , ó - /o:/
u - /u/, ú - /u:/


Script:
Image

Noun endings:

NominativeAccusativeDativeGenitiveVocative
--tép-rés-tér-te

Inspiration:
-tép = Hungarian Accusative ending -t
-rés = Dative in Hungarian is részeshatározó
-tér = Hungarian tiéd, meaning yours
-te = Tere is an Estonian greeting

Other endings:

QualityActionPlaceDoer
-lét-át-hál-ás

Inspiration:
lét = "lét" means existance/being in Hungarian
át = some Slavic languages have infinitive verbs ending in a "t"
hál = from Hungarian "hely", meaning place, and a lot of town names end in -hely
ás = several Greek names end in an "s" and "ász" means "ace" in Hungarian

Indefinite article:

Declination of adjectives:

Basicmorethe mostlessthe least
ileglélegbegbébeg
sleglélegbegbébeg


ParticipleGerundSupine
tórbéliváli

Note: You add these words after the adjectives as postpositions.

Adverb ending: -em

Other adverbs:
like thislike thatbarelyalreadystillreallyverytoo*too
teblemtetemálisrégmégbulnó bóltúltehersív

*as in "me too"

Demonstrative pronouns:

THISNounAdjectiveTHATNounAdjective
TeblóblósTetótós


Quantifiers:
noneoneanyfewsomemanyevery
óriimpálótinémibélaúri


Declination of pronouns:
SingularNominativeAccusativeGenitive
1stégeágáttéreg
2ndebbetterep
3rdfesfátterfes
PluralNominativeAccusativeGenitive
1stmúltátmúlttermúlt
2ndboltátboltterbolt
3rdfóstátfóstterfóst


Interrogative pronouns:
whatwhohow manywherewhenwhy
hó / legó hóintlén hóhastó hótavró hórolkó hóhómu / legomú hó


Conjugation of verbs:






*BasicDistant PastPastPresentFutureDistant Future
1st-ág-ág tél vala-ág tél-ág teas-ág les-ág les vala
2nd-ebe-ebe tél vala-ebe tél-ebe teas-ebe les-ebe les vala
3rd-ófes-ófes tél vala-ófes tél-ófes teas-ófes les-ófes les vala
1st-ómúlt-ómúlt tél vala-ómúlt tél-ómúlt teas-ómúlt les-ómúlt les vala
2nd-óbolt-óbolt tél vala-óbolt tél-óbolt teas-óbolt les-óbolt les vala
3rd-ófost-ófost tél vala-ófost tél-ófost teas-ófost les-ófost les vala


*The basic form is simply the one that doesn't tell you anything about the time.

Verb moods & modal verbs:
Indicative (optional)ConjunctiveConditionalImperativePresumptive
jóljabárháttán


ReflexiveBeforeAfter
1stóta- ... -om-om óta
2ndóta- ... -óv-óv óta
3rdóta- ... -ót-ót óta


Plurals:
SingularPlural
Animate Nounsúr/erurtú/ertú
Inanimate Nounsóút
Verbsom/óv/ótomut/óvut/ótut


Numbers:
CardinalOrdinal
0óriórinti
1lónti
2tébetébenti
3ágliáglinti
4dálidálinti
5éviévinti
6vávavávanti
7zétezétenti
8hesihesinti
9tesitesinti
10lórilórinti


Conjunctions:
andorbutifbecauseso/thenwhilethat
megévelúdhólterás, históterás, alteaimaége


Prepositions:
fromininto
bólbeabes
fromatto
tólteates
fromononto
rólreares
from besidebesideto beside
talóltáltalás
from betweenbetweento between
tifróltifratirfás
from aboveaboveto above
himólhimahimás
from belowbelowto below
turóltúrturás
from aroundaroundto around
pólolpólpólás
from throughthroughto through
visólvísvísás

withéva
withoutfór
in favour ofgól
againstbál
beforeínte
afterúrma
untiltél
aboutduma
because oftrez
like /aslóg
timesdór


Sentences:
DitronianEnglish
AgaYes
ÍviNo
TeHi/Bye
Legóhó kartsó vema?What's your name?
Levi kartsó memaMy name is Levi
Lótébehút vemu?How old are you?
Tébeóri memúI am 20 years old.
Tavróhó bea ampróv?Where do you live?
Varsó bea ampromI live in Warsaw
Íve hó?How are you?
LikomtúlI am well
Íme romPlease
Istótlom iviI don't understand
Bablom ditróstiI speak Ditronian
Vesti katromI love you
KikrútThank you
Gló évaYou're welcome


Vocabulary:
[hide]Nouns:
upsó = accident ( Oupps! )
paranguló = address ( str. Parângului )
vizerhó = airplane ( Wizz Air Hungary )
marvén = alien/foreigner ( Marvin the Martian )
magnó = attraction ( Magnet )
vensmiló = arm ( Venus de Milo )
apló = art ( Apollo )
betó = bank ( Banca Transilvania)
tógenbró = beard ( Toggenburg goat )
rustó = bed ( Bed of Procrustes )
alfó = beginning ( Alfa )
turler = bird ( Turul, a mythological Hungarian bird )
davdó = body ( Michelangelo's David )
gurgó = bread ( Giurgiu's white bread )
bisgárdó = castle ( Visegrád Castle in Hungary)
lognó = car ( Dacia Logan )
bastén = cat ( Bastet )
romó = centre ( Each road leads to Rome )
térpó = circle ( 2 × π × radius )
demkó = choice ( Democracy )
urgudó = church ( Borgund stave Church )
blutóm = connect ( Bluetooth )
zerbó = cookie ( Zserbó is my favourite cookie )
hemó = cloths ( H&M )
maktó = desert ( Makhtesh Ramon in Israel )
moró = destiny ( Moerae, or three sisters who are better known as the Fates )
brelút = dots ( Braille )
dáfer = duck ( Daffy Duck )
radó = ear ( Radar )
krakó = earth ( Karakorum )
fémriskó = earthquake ( fém = metal, riskó = risk )
amnó = end ( Amen )
drevler = enemy ( Dr. Evil )
tesló = energy ( Nikola Tesla )
urobró= eternity/infinity ( Oὐροβόρος ὄφις - Tail devouring snake, sign of eternity)
ubló = eye ( Hubble Space Telescope )
gúrer = expert ( guru )
nonimó = face ( Anonymus is a statue in Budapest that doesn't have a face )
belbetó = fairy tale ( "The Beauty and the Beast" in French )
nuló = family
laslúr = father ( László )
babjagó = fear ( Baba Yaga )
etó = finger ( E.T.'s red finger )
neró = fire ( Nero burned the city of Rome )
hargtó = forest ( Hargita county, because it's full of trees )
smiló = fun ( Sarah Millican )
delfó = future ( Oracle of Delphi )
prutó = frontier ( river Prut between Romania and Moldova )
tómjerer = friend ( Tom and Jerry )
fifó = game ( FIFA )
bartoló = gift ( Frédéric-Auguste Bartholdi )
Jérer = god ( Jerry )
rapzeló = hair ( Rapunzel )
monó = head ( Moai statues on Easter island )
gorgólét = health ( Albert Szent-György discovered C-Vitamin )
luvró = history/past ( Louvre Museum )
margó = hotel ( Margo is a hotel near Warsaw )
ustró = house ( Ustronie is my student dorm )
órnur = hunter ( Ὠρίων or Orion, Greek mythological hunter )
magnumó = ice-cream ( Magnum )
lisgerdó = inspiration ( Lisa Gherardini is the woman in the Mona Lisa painting )
aglivó = internet ( www, aglivó literally means 3w )
tesgegó = joke ( 9GAG )
jaglenúr = king ( Jagiellonian dinasty )
babló = language ( Tower of Babel )
tamnó = leaf ( Autumn in Romanian is toamnă, and I associate leaves with autumn )
holó = light ( Holland is the brightest place during the night as seen from space )
ampró = life ( vampire )
símbúr = lion ( Simba, the lion)
reksbabólét = loyalty ( reks = dog, Bobby was a loyal dog who guarded his owner's grave )
bernádur = mayor ( Bernády György, former mayor in my hometown)
rubkó = mistery ( Rubik Cube )
túrmavó = metro ( tur = under, mavó = train from MÁV)
baslisker = monster ( Basilisk )
imlúr = mother ( Imola )
iló = moon ( Io is Jupiter's star )
mikén = mouse ( Mikey mouse )
hostem = movie ( The Host )
kartsó = name ( Cartouche - Indicates Egyptian royal names )
barnur = neighbour ( Barni from The Flinstones )
ganduló = news ( Gândul - Romanian newspaper )
rejkó = north ( Rejkjavik )
vastonur = president ( Lech Wałęsa, former Polish president + George Washington, 1st US president)
torbánur = prime-minister ( Viktor Orbán, prime-minister of Hungary )
bresteló = refrain ( ébresztelek )
oltó = river ( the Olt river )
bulgró = rose ( Bulgaria )
baltó = lake ( Balaton, the Hungarian sea )
gandó = peace ( Mahatma Gandhi )
genvó = port ( Genoa - Italy )
rubalkaló = sand ( Rub Al-Khali )
babsboló = school ( Universitas Napocensis - Babeș-Bolyai )
egó = sea/ocean ( Aegean Sea )
svalbó = seed ( Svalbard siland )
tubát = sex
igzó = shower ( Iguazu waterfall )
galiló = sky ( Galileo Galilei )
olfó = snow ( Olaf )
kaspró = soul ( Casper, the friendly ghost )
dormó = sound ( Do Re Mi )
basló = spider ( Basszad meg! = Hungarian for Fuck it! )
siró = star ( Sirius is the brightest star on the sky, expect our Sun )
bilgó = success ( Bill Gates )
trojó = surprise ( Δούρειος Ίππος - Trojan Horse in Greek )
dunó = water ( Danube )
argó = word ( Arghezi wrote the poem "Cuvântul" meaning "The word" )
tavró = place ( in a movie Earth was called Tauri )
= question ( uuuuuuuh )
gólem = reason ( Francisco de Goya's painting "The sleep of reason produces monsters" )
taltó = religion ( Táltós religion )
molnaró = restaurant ( Molnár is a restaurant in Sächsisch-Regen )
oltó = river ( Olt river in Transylvania )
tenkoló = table
beletó = tale ( La belle et la bête )
rolkó = time ( Rolex )
mavó = train ( MÁV - Hungarian railway )
flagó = tree ( Flagun )
érteló = TV ( RTL Klub, a Hungarian TV channel )
berló = wall ( Berliner Mauer - Berlin Wall )
egnató = way ( ancient road of Egnatia )
juptó = weather ( Jupiter, god of the skies )
boró = wind ( Boreas )
falúr = wolf ( Oonagh - Faolan )

Adjectives:
diliks = bad ( dislike )
lili = beautiful ( Liliom, a flower )
alpós = big ( the Alps )
núlfi = blue ( #0000FF, null values and an F )
mili = boring ( Emília )
nóri = brown
elsós = cold ( Elsa )
spagtós = complicated/hard/difficult ( Spaghetti )
máts = correct ( Mátyás the just king of Hungary )
toldós = courageous ( Tóldi Miklós )
baskós = dangerous ( bazooka )
gorós = dark ( As seen from space, North Korea is the least brightest space during night )
nomni = delicious ( omnomnomnom )
limós = enough ( Limes - Roman frontier)
stulós = evil ( Cthulhu )
vógs = fast ( Voyager satellite )
vilnós = fat ( Venus of Willendorf )
gigós = funny ( Russians laugh like gggg )
bilfori = free ( bilincs = chain, fór = without )
liks = good ( like )
jupós = happy ( Yuppi )
lúts = hot ( Dasht-e Lut desert in Iran )
verselós = humble ( Versailles )
górgs = important ( Gorgon sign )
guls = mixed ( Gulyás - Hungarian food )
amprós = lively ( vampire)
lenmorós = obsessed ( Laina Morris - overly attached girlfriend )
gízós = old ( Pyramid of Giza )
tabs = prohibited ( Taboo )
fós = red ( #ff0000, 2 F's and a lot of zeroes )
miháli = saint ( Saint Michael )
botós = scary ( Boo! )
tomi = small ( Atoms)
olfagóts = sincere ( Goethe )
silvestrós = sly ( Sylvester, the cat )
bernó = statue ( Bernini, Italian sculptor )
toldi = strong ( Tóldi Miklós - Arany János )
bulnós = true ( Boolean, Java variable that's either true or false )
igríts = wild ( Ygritte GOT )
marvs = weird ( Marvin the Martian )

Verbs:
magnom = attract ( Magnet )
mistom = change ( Mystique from X-Men )
demkom = choose ( democracy )
írplom = clean/wash ( Whirlpool )
tetrom = build ( Tetris )
guldom = buy (Gulden, was a currency of Austro-Hungary)
oksgom = breath ( oxygen )
lerteslom = copy ( Larry Tesler, inventor of copy/paste )
rusletom = dare ( Russian Roulette )
siligtom = describe ( Sződliget )
legom = do/make ( Lego )
dodom = die ( Dodo - an extinct bird )
hirósmom = destroy ( Hiroshima )
borskom = drink ( my favourite mineral water is calle Borsec )
lognom = drive ( from the Romanian Dacia Logan car )
milkom = eat ( I love Milka chocolate )
dominom = fall ( Domino )
emdom = feel ( Emoji )
lilentom = fly ( Otto von Lillenthall )
hemrom = forget ( Alzheimer )
trezom = give ( Mother Tereza )
bemvom = go/come/move ( BMW )
brazom = have sex ( Brazzers )
tardarom = hate ( Tardar Sauce, the Grumpy Cat )
hatvom = hope ( Hatikva )
povlom = jump ( Mike Powel )
tudom = know/can ( Hungarian tudni )
gigom = laugh ( Russians laugh like 'gggggg' )
babsbolom = learn ( Universitas Napocensis Babeș-Bolyai )
katrom = love ( Katherine, my favoutite character from a movie )
amprom = live ( vampire )
lendom = lift ( Leonid Taranenko )
lendrom = paint ( Leonardo Da Vinci )
zeglom = protect ( Kazimierz Żegleń invented the modern bulletproof vest )
gátolág = program ( Katalin )
gilgom = read ( Story of Gilgamesh )
lúvrom = remember ( Louvre Museum )
sisfom = repeat ( Sisyphus )
sedom = replace ( 'sed' command in Linux )
usboltom = run ( Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever )
medom = save/help ( M'aidez! M'aidez! )
goglom = search ( Google )
ublom = see ( Hubble Space Telescope )
ingolfom = settle ( Ingólfur )
zingom = sew ( Singer )
bablom = speak/say/tell ( Tower of Bable )
lamom = spit ( Lamas )
britom = sing ( Sarah Brightman )
horom = sleep ( Hrrrrrrrrrr )
tunom = swimm ( Tuna fish )
tigrom = thank ( Tiger tanks )
intlom = think ( Intel, since the brain is kind of a processor )
miklom = touch ( Michelangelo, Italian sculptor/painter )
maglenom = travel ( Magellan )
istótlom = understand ( Aristotle )
lodibom = wait ( Loading Bars )
mesgom = work ( MSG - a company )
mendlevó = world ( Mendeleev's Periodical Table )
glagom = write ( Glagolitic alphabet )[/hide]

Comments/advices are welcomed!
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 20:17

Could you give any advice for the past/future conjugation endings?
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby linguoboy » 2014-03-10, 20:27

Levente wrote:Could you give any advice for the past/future conjugation endings?

Why have endings? Rumanian, Hungarian, and English all use analytical constructions to express future time, and both Rumanian and English have periphrastic perfects.

So what informed your decision not to inflect verbs for number?
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 20:33

linguoboy wrote:Why have endings? Rumanian, Hungarian, and English all use analytical constructions to express future time, don't they?
Yes, they do, but I want a compact language.
The less words it has the better, that's why it also doesn't have an article.
So what informed your decision not to inflect verbs for number?
I decided not to have plurals at all for anything, because that would just complicate the situation.
Plus, if I had verbs for plural that would mean that I also have to invent plural pronouns.
Which I sadly don't have.
The truth is that German and Romanian made me hate plurals.

But maybe I'll change my mind, who knows.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby linguoboy » 2014-03-10, 20:42

Levente wrote:
linguoboy wrote:Why have endings? Rumanian, Hungarian, and English all use analytical constructions to express future time, don't they?
Yes, they do, but I want a compact language.

Periphrasis and compactness aren't mutually exclusive. Which is more compact, Hungarian or Chinese?

Why is it important that your language be "compact" anyway? What are you planning to do with it?

Levente wrote:
So what informed your decision not to inflect verbs for number?
I decided not to have plurals at all for anything, because that would just complicate the situation.
Plus, if I had verbs for plural that would mean that I also have to invent plural pronouns.
Which I sadly don't have.

You're going to need some means of expressing number, whether it's an inflection or some other means. Chinese, Korean, and Japanese don't inflect verbs for number (or person either), but all three have means of "pluralising" pronouns. (Korean is especially interesting in that it has a plural particle which is essentially free floating. 들 can appear almost anywhere in a sentence to indicate that the notion of plurality is involved.)
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Re: Ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 20:51

The compactness is just for aesthetic reasons.

I didn't make a decision on the plural yet,
but most probably I'll just put a number before the nouns:

ben embur = a man
den embur = two men
fen embur = three men
gen embur = four men
hen embur = five men
en embur = men

For plurals I put en before the noun.
I took it from mathematics where at sequences the last element is denoted by n.

The numbers are: ben, den, fen, gen, hen ...
You can easily guess how it continues
because I took the consonants from the alphabet and added +en.
I skipped c and j because I didn't come up with a pronunciation for them.
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Re: Ditrono

Postby linguoboy » 2014-03-10, 21:11

That's fine as far as it goes, but what do you plan to do when it's important to distinguish, say, "They did it" from "She/He did it"?
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Re: Ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 21:17

I would apply the same rule:

She/he = te
they = en te
two of them = den te
three of them = fen te
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby ~jakip » 2014-03-10, 21:26

Levente wrote:Could you give any advice for the past/future conjugation endings?

If you want to simplify your life you can change the first vowel to make the other tenses simpler (for example em → im, om, um... , ev → iv, ov, uv...). Or you can use an unique verb for every person of present, past, future, ecc... :yep:
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Re: Ditrono

Postby linguoboy » 2014-03-10, 21:34

Levente wrote:I would apply the same rule:

She/he = te
they = en te
two of them = den te
three of them = fen te

So rather than inflect the verb, you're going to make subject pronouns obligatory? Or only where disambiguation/emphasis is necessary?
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 21:39

~jakip wrote:If you want to simplify your life you can change the first vowel to make the other tenses simpler (for example em → im, om, um... , ev → iv, ov, uv...). Or you can use an unique verb for every person of present, past, future, ecc... :yep:

The problem for example with om
would be that I already used that ending for the inanimate noun in dative.

That's why I put the vowel "e" in the present because I didn't use it anywhere else.

Hmmm, not a bad idea.

Maybe I'll make up an auxiliary verb and make it a suffix.
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Re: Ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 21:42

linguoboy wrote:So rather than inflect the verb, you're going to make subject pronouns obligatory? Or only where disambiguation/emphasis is necessary?

The singular will be the default,
and the pronouns only appear when knowing the numbers might be important.

I've been thinking about the English pronoun "you"
that most of the time the context helps you to find out the number.

Or maybe even in that case just put the word "en" before the verb?
Or maybe I should add "en" as a suffix?

Yeah, I'm making a plural. :mrgreen:
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby ~jakip » 2014-03-10, 21:53

Levente wrote:
~jakip wrote:If you want to simplify your life you can change the first vowel to make the other tenses simpler (for example em → im, om, um... , ev → iv, ov, uv...). Or you can use an unique verb for every person of present, past, future, ecc... :yep:

The problem for example with om
would be that I already used that ending for the inanimate noun in dative.

That's why I put the vowel "e" in the present because I didn't use it anywhere else.

Hmmm, not a bad idea.

Maybe I'll make up an auxiliary verb and make it a suffix.

With auxiliaries it could be interesting, not a bad idea.
Another way could be to change the consonant. Sorry but I think it could be simpler if you don't change at all the "form" of the verb tenses.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 21:57

~jakip wrote:Another way could be to change the consonant.
Sorry but I think it could be simpler if you don't change at all the "form" of the verb tenses.

You mean like leaving it entirely to context?

For example:
Instead of "I ate a cookie yesterday" simply "I eat a cookie yesterday"?

By the way, I came up with the first sentence:
Belisem ditronul. = I speak ditronian.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby linguoboy » 2014-03-10, 22:09

Levente wrote:You mean like leaving it entirely to context?

For example:
Instead of "I ate a cookie yesterday" simply "I eat a cookie yesterday"?

If you're going to go down that route, you may want to read up on analytic languages like Chinese and Thai.

Since the lexicon is a priori, you might also want to look at creoles derived from European languages such as Haitian and Bislama.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby ~jakip » 2014-03-10, 22:20

Levente wrote:
~jakip wrote:Another way could be to change the consonant.
Sorry but I think it could be simpler if you don't change at all the "form" of the verb tenses.

You mean like leaving it entirely to context?

For example:
Instead of "I ate a cookie yesterday" simply "I eat a cookie yesterday"?

By the way, I came up with the first sentence:
Belisem ditronul. = I speak ditronian.

Mh... I didn't mean that. I meant to change the consonant instead of the vowel.
For example:
Belisem ditronul → I speak ditronian
Beliser/Beliset/Belisef/ecc... ditronul → I spoke ditronian
Now I see that it couldn't be a great way... they could be confused the sounds, they all seem at each others.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 22:20

linguoboy wrote:If you're going to go down that route, you may want to read up on analytic languages like Chinese and Thai.

Since the lexicon is a priori, you might also want to look at creoles derived from European languages such as Haitian and Bislama.

Hungarian often does this when it comes to the future:
Holnap megyek a moziba = Tomorrow I go to the cinema.

And the lexicon, I'm just going to take words randomly,
but mostly from Hungarian so it won't resemble the all-known Romance languages.
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Re: Beliso ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-10, 22:25

~jakip wrote:Belisem ditronul → I speak ditronian
Beliser/Beliset/Belisef/ecc... ditronul → I spoke ditronian
Now I see that it couldn't be a great way... they could be confused the sounds, they all seem at each others.

Well, I chose the letters m, v, and t because the personal pronouns begin with those, so indeed.

I was thinking about maybe stealing the endings from a Latin language,
maybe Italian or Romanian.
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Re: Ditrono

Postby Koko » 2014-03-11, 6:34

I don't see a reason to differ between future and present, or present and past: English has varying options of examples for the non-past tense, in fact, it's debatable if it really even needs the auxiliary "will" since context can already show the difference. Japanese does this too; there is no future, only a crapload of tenses including negative conjugations for each(and adjectives).

Number for anything is also easily represented by number words, and I believe that in Japanese, despite it being more common to just use the same word for both singular and plural, you can double the word(mokuboku I believe is "trees," I may be wrong, since this came from wikipedia).

If you want simplicity I suggest a past-nonpast verb system and no declinable numbers.

This is interesting to see how your language turns out.(the "turns out" is an example of the English non-past BTW)

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Re: Ditrono

Postby Levike » 2014-03-11, 12:37

I've decided I want these 6 tenses:

present simple & continuous
past simple & continuous
future simple & continuous

But I'm still debating how they should look ...
I'm currently looking for inspiration in European languages.

Made these modifications:
1. Accusative ends in -st, from the Hungarian -t
2. Dative ends in -mu, because some Slavic language's case ends in u, don't know which?
3. Genitive ends in -pos, from the Romanian word posesie ( possession ).
4. Vocative ends in -he, from words like "hi", "hello".

What do you think, should I make a prepositional case?
Or just add them to the nominative?
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