General Conlang Discussion

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-01-22, 3:06

Well, of course I've got to give it a try.

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Nesi sylirû piâ konlangi. Ma má esà, siâbi Mironi.
I don't always speak conlangs. But when I do, I prefer Mironese. :whistle:

EDIT: Fixed a grammar error; this might be just a meme, but the Most Interesting Man in the World doesn't make mistakes.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby hashi » 2012-01-22, 3:20

My Nithalos version...

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-01-29, 20:37

Ugh, I've been changing my conlang's orthography so much lately. And of course all the while I've been posting in it here, so every time I change something I need to decide whether I'll go through and retroactively change what I've posted. It's already hard enough work going through my notes (which have somehow grown into 57 pages of text) adjusting everything. :ohwell:
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby hashi » 2012-02-01, 7:02

Dormouse559 wrote:Ugh, I've been changing my conlang's orthography so much lately. And of course all the while I've been posting in it here, so every time I change something I need to decide whether I'll go through and retroactively change what I've posted. It's already hard enough work going through my notes (which have somehow grown into 57 pages of text) adjusting everything. :ohwell:


Learn php or another scripting language. I just use a script to adjust all my vocab when I change something with regularity.

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-01, 7:19

It would be simple enough to change things if my notes weren't peppered with English (and bits of the proto-language). I can make changes in the entire document with a few keystrokes, as long as the changes don't involve letters in the English alphabet. If I'm not careful, I'll be going through the document and find something like "Mironese is a verü declininy lanyuage."
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby hashi » 2012-02-01, 7:25

Oh, this is where a spreadsheet is more useful. Then you can just target certain columns ;)

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-01, 7:30

But spreadsheets aren't any fun! :mrgreen: And my example sentences rarely correspond one-to-one with my dictionary entries. I guess I could make two documents, but seems that like it would get really cumbersome really fast.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby hashi » 2012-02-01, 7:45

Dormouse559 wrote:But spreadsheets aren't any fun! :mrgreen: And my example sentences rarely correspond one-to-one with my dictionary entries. I guess I could make two documents, but seems that like it would get really cumbersome really fast.


Meh, different things work for different people I guess.

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-01, 7:48

I don't know, maybe I'm just less organized than you.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby hashi » 2012-02-01, 8:13

Dormouse559 wrote:I don't know, maybe I'm just less organized than you.


Perhaps. But also perhaps I am excessively organised.

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-02, 2:43

Ivu nesü elizyu, bü Pigazü ma nesû syileristi âbü suenyue hine.
That isn't a horse; it's a pegasus, but you haven't yet found its wings.

-Haffunþus Albāfruktāiprus Kastūn
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* "Greatest" of course being a relative term XD
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Aberacht » 2012-02-03, 3:31

I've been up to some phonological trickery: enabling most of the consonants of my language to be 'lateralized' by putting them in an affricate with a lateral fricative at the same place of articulation.

/dan/ [dan]
/dlan/ [d͡ɮan]

Similarly, /tl/ [t͡ɬ] and /kl/ [k͡ʟ̝̊]. Syllables can also end with such a lateral affricate, such as in the case of /sakl/ [sak͡ʟ̝̊]. I've been having some issues trying to pronounce these myself, but I'm making good progress.

What interesting bits of phonology do you guys have in your languages?
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-04, 8:26

Using my MAD WORD PROCESSOR IMAGE EDITING SKILLZ, I have translated another meme. However, after much fruitless labor and an ironic encounter with reCAPTCHA, I'm still unable to master the art of posting images directly online. So here is a lovely attachment…

Mironese reCAPTCHA Meme.pdf


Here is the original meme…
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And here is a script, for easy comparison…


- Syubmi gâsti ârezyistràmâtü dû gâ websit. Otihhi prûzyà kanazyà gâ syubmizyerà mubii…
- Finish-1sg soon registration-ACC of this site-DAT. Fill-1sg need just this last-ACC.fem thing-ACC
- I am almost done registering for this site. I just have to fill in this last thing…

[Ûvie gâ hasyie lytsi]
[Type-IMP this word-ACC.pl two]
[Type the two words]

- errr *nunepo*
-umm refresh
- umm *refresh*

- Ti banyû grosti pas o bü? *nunepo*
- That jump fucking 1sg-ABL on be.3sg? refresh
- Are you fucking kidding me? *refresh*

- AFME LI IS avü ivu het duksü i pazisyîd mubia? *nunepo*
-Why you no have it and change to possible-DAT.fem thing-DAT refresh
- Y U NO change it to something possible? *refresh*

- ALÜMEHHÀ…
- God-GEN-mother-VOC
- MOTHER OF GOD…

- GÜ TROLUTSÂ PA!
- 3pl troll-3pl 1sg-ACC
- THEY’RE TROLLING ME!


Aberacht wrote:What interesting bits of phonology do you guys have in your languages?
As for interesting phonological features, my conlang doesn't have many if any at all. I want to make a conlang that lasts more than a few months before I start trying to use very exotic sounds. I like being able to pronounce my own conlang. Oh yes, it doesn't seem too strange to me because I speak English natively, but my conlang has /ð/ and /θ/ as phonemes. I'm thinking of having a dialect in which these are realized as /dʰ/ and /tʰ/.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby khanu » 2012-02-04, 18:50

My conlang's phonology is quite simple and to me is very easy to pronounce. I have 20 consonants, and 8 vowels. Stress is usually on the last syllable, but some endings don't take stress.
/ʒ/ only occurs in borrowings
/l/ is never velarised (i.e. never pronounced as [ɫ])
There is some front-back vowel harmony, but it only applies to some common endings, as well as the negative particle.

Also, I'm planning to eliminate grammatical gender. I already have ideas for genderless endings.

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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-12, 4:34

Last week I created two words for Mironese (ürü and tionà), but I didn't have any idea what they meant yet, so I just added them to my wordlist with no definitions. Just today I decided they meant "cold" and "veil" respectively. Does anyone else do this, where they create a word but don't immediately give it a meaning.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Emandir » 2012-02-12, 6:59

For lweltelk I created the list of all the possible words and gave them meanings afterwards.
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-12, 7:10

How did you go about doing that? It must have taken a really long time.

Of course I might be thinking about this backwards. How many phonemes does your language have?
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Emandir » 2012-02-12, 7:48

lweltelk has 42 phonemes. The words are monosyllabic and I made the list with a word processor.
Of course, these are "basic" words that can be used to make compounds like acaht /ˈatʃaʃt/ from ac "glass" and aht "eye".
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Re: General Conlang Discussion

Postby Dormouse559 » 2012-02-19, 8:25

Hmm, I've created just now the first piece of native Mironese poetry. We'll say it was some teenager's sorry attempt to get an assignment done for his Mironese literature class on the morning it was due. :) With some luck, I'll create much more refined poetry eventually. In the meantime though, what do you think?

Some rules:
  • Each line is eight syllables
  • All major* words of odd-numbered lines must alliterate
  • The first major word of even-numbered lines must alliterate using the same sound as the preceding line
  • All vowels alliterate together (i.e. âpli îseri oberüzyi is alliteration)
* The exact meaning of "major" isn't yet set in stone, but it tends to refer to content words

Duelà dû dun pà dueminà.
E duksü ttuesü clartaui.
Ti ponti Pubii e pasu.
Pâver hödiorà him nyosi.


[dwɛlɐ dœ̃ dun pɐ dwɛˈminɐ]
[ɛ duksy θwɛsy klaɾˈtawi]
[ti pɔnti pubji ɛ ˈpasu]
[pɑ̃vɛɾ hœdjɔɾɐ him ˈɲɔsi]


Spirit of sister.GEN my.GEN happy-ACC-fem
3sg.fem build-3sg house-ACC light-INS
That know-FUT Heaven-ACC 3sg.fem hope-3sg
Shallow knowledge her-fem grow-FUT


My sister's spirit is happy.
She builds a house with light.
She hopes that she will soon know Heaven.
Her shallow knowledge will grow.
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