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Postby Oleksij » 2005-07-17, 19:24

Hi to everyone!
I haven't really noticed any great interest in the Ukrainian language from anyone in this forum so far, but for those really interested I have decided to begin a course. In this course I'd like to give an idea of what the language really is and it's grammar.
For all those interested- please, post your names.
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Postby Strigo » 2005-07-17, 20:14

Hi,

I'm in love with Slavic language, so I'll take a look.
BTW, how many languages do you speak? Are you Ukrainian?
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Postby Oleksij » 2005-07-17, 20:30

Yes, I am Ukrainian, but I live in Ireland. I can speak Ukrainian, Russian, English (obviously :wink: ), Spanish and some Irish Gaelic.
What about you? Have you done a Slavic language before? If yes- it will give you a great deal of help with Ukrainian.

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Postby Strigo » 2005-07-17, 20:33

I'm starting to learn Polish right now. I speak Spanish, English and some some Portuguese. :)
Aquí es donde traduzco diariamente música israelí del hebreo al español

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Postby Oleksij » 2005-07-17, 20:38

Esto es perfecto, pero lamento no poder instalar el keyboard espa?ol. Te dice que estoy escribiendo de Irlanda ahora- eso no es verdad.La cosa es que estoy en Kiev de visita ahora, y aqui' hace tarde ya asi' voy a empezar el curso ma?ana.
Corrija mi castellano, si hay faltas, por favor.

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Postby Strigo » 2005-07-17, 20:47

gigant26 wrote:Esto es perfecto, pero lamento no poder instalar el keyboard espa?ol. Te dice que estoy escribiendo de Irlanda ahora- eso no es verdad.La cosa es que estoy en Kiev de visita ahora, y aqui' hace tarde ya asi' voy a empezar el curso ma?ana.
Corrija mi castellano, si hay faltas, por favor.

Alex


*te dije
*se hace tarde
*así que voy

And corrija is right, but it's too formal and I'm 16.. so pls say Corrige :)
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Postby Geist » 2005-07-18, 2:48

Hi, Strigo and gigant26 (and whoever else comes along). :)

I too love Slavic languages. I can't promise I'll learn Ukraininan, but I'll definately devote some time to the course when I can. I speak English fluently, and Spanish and German semi-fluently; I also know some Polish (I'm learning it), and I have a rudimentary knowledge of Russian.
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Postby Oleksij » 2005-07-18, 11:24

If people here are interested in Slavic languages already, I don't think there's any intro necessary.
I'll start straight away with the alphabet.
The Ukrainian language uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
Can anyone here read Russian, apart from Geist?

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Postby Strigo » 2005-07-18, 13:57

I can read Cyrillic too. And zhiguli's already written an introduction to the Ukrainian alphabet, and its differences from Russian.
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Postby CoBB » 2005-07-18, 14:43

I'm also sort of interested in the language, although I have no intention of studying it seriously in the near future. Still I'd be glad to see a course here. I speak basic Russian.
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Postby zhiguli » 2005-07-31, 1:48

I was planning to write a course but if you're a native speaker and willing, then by all means, go ahead, it's less work for me to do.

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Postby reflexsilver86 » 2005-07-31, 2:52

I'd like to learn at least a few phrases so I can shock my French teacher (who happens to be Ukrainian) one day. I'd love to see the look on her face. :mrgreen:
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Postby Liisi » 2005-08-02, 9:34

I'm happy to see an Ukrainian forum here at UniLang :D! Why? Because I'll probably take an introductory course of Ukrainian starting in March 2006. It'll be a part of my study program.
I appreciate corrections to my mistakes in any language.

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Postby Oleksij » 2005-08-07, 19:31

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and pardon me for being silent for so long. I have more bad news- I will only be able to start the course after the 10th of August.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Postby Oleksij » 2005-08-12, 19:32

Hello to everybody.
I finally have returned to Dublin and can now start the course.
As I have understood, there's no need to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. I will only highlight the differences in the Russian and Ukrainian alphabets.
1. There is no "э" in Ukrainian. Instead, the letter "e" is used to show this sound.
2. "г" in Ukrainian is pronounced as "h" in Czech, not like "g"."ґ" is used to mean "g".
3. Ukrainian has a special letter-"є". It's pronounced as [je] in "yet", when at the beginning of the word or when after apostrophe (more on that later). When it is in the middle of word, it is pronounced in the same way as Russian "e".
4. "i" is also in the Ukrainian alphabet. (Russian alphabet doesn't have it). It is pronounced like "i" in Spanish.
5. There's no "ы" in Ukrainian. To show this sound, "и" is used. It is also pronounced in a bit different way. A bit more like [i].
That's it for now. More coming soon! :)

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Postby Oleksij » 2005-08-13, 16:43

Hello again.
I still haven't finished the pronounciation/alphabet introduction.
6. "ї" is a special letter in Ukrainian. It can only appear at the beginning of word or after apostrophe. It is pronounced "ji" as in "yield".
7. The apostrophe in Ukrainian is used before the letters "я", "є", "ї", "ю" to show those are pronounced seperately and are not softening the previous consonant. For example: "м'ясо", [mjáso]- "meat" and "праця", [prátsia]- labour, work. The letter "я" in the first example is pronounced [ja], as in Germanic "ja" (yes). In the second word, it is pronounced like [a], but softening the previous consonant.
The apostrophe can be used:
1. After "б", "п", "в", "м", "ф", if these letters are standing: a) at the beginning of a root. eg б'ю, [bju]- I hit, п'є, [pje]- he/she/it drinks, м'яч, [mjach]- ball.
b) after a vowel and "р". eg арф'яр, [arfjár]- harp player.
2. After "hard" "p". eg матір'ю, [mátirju]- mother (instr. case)
3. After prefixes ending in a consonant. eg з'явитися, [zjavýtysia]- to appear, під'їхати,[pidjíkhaty]- to drive in/closer.

Looks difficult? It certainly does. But all this is pretty easy in practice.
See you soon!

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Postby Strigo » 2005-08-13, 17:27

This is really interesting!
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Postby Oleksij » 2005-08-14, 16:55

Hello.
Now, lets get down to personal pronouns.
Я, [ja]-I
Ти, [ty]-You (a familiar form)
Він/Вона/Воно, [vin]/[vona]/[vono]-He/She/It
Ми, [my]-We
Ви, [vy]-You (plural or formal form)
Вони, [vony]-They
The pronouns are subject to declension. There aresix cases in Ukrainian. Nominal (or whatever it's called :roll:) is above.
Genitive
Мене, [mene]- (there is no...)me
Тебе, [tebe]-you
Його/Її/Його, [joho]/[jiji]/[joho]-him/her/it
Нас, [nas]-us
Вас, [vas]-you
Їх, [jikh]-them
Dative
Мені, [meni]- (give...) me
Тобі, [tobi]- you
Йому/Їй/Йому, [jomu]/[jij]/[jomu]- him/her/it
Нам, [nam]- us
Вам, [vam]-you
Їм, [jim]- them
Locative- the same as Genitive
The Locative case is used when you say "I found...me/you/him etc".
Instrumental
Мною, [mnoju]-(to use...*) me
Тобою, [toboju]- you
Ним/Нею/Ним, [nym]/[neju]/[nym]-him/her/it
Нами, [namy]- us
Вами, [vamy]- you
Ними, [nymy]- them
This case is used when you want to say "On/In me/you/him etc".
На Мені, [na meni]- on me
На Тобі, [na tobi]- on you
На Ньому/Ній/Ньому, [na niomu]/[nij]/[niomu]- on him/her/it
На Нас, [na nas]-on us
На Вас, [na vas]- on you
На Них, [na nykh]- on them
*-the use of the case depends on the verb. More on that later.[/i]

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Postby dorenda » 2005-08-14, 18:21

gigant26 wrote:Locative- the same as Genitive

Shouldn't it be "Accusative - the same as Genitive"? I thought locative is на мені etc.?

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Postby zhiguli » 2005-08-14, 20:15

шановний професор гигант
the lessons are great, but to make them more useful i think it would be a good idea to mark the stresses of words, like this: добрий день, як вас звати?
and especially in pronouns, where a preposition makes the stress shift:
мене
but:
у мене


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