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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-08-10, 1:16

You have time, Vijay. :)

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2019-08-15, 1:21

vijayjohn wrote:Vocabulary (tbh, this time, the one term I'm particularly confused about is قر دار):
عشوه - (means roughly the same thing as ناز?) yes
قر دار - pleated? (Context: دامنهای قر دار) Can you link me to the larger context this came from? I'm imagining that قر here is another kind of ناز و عشوه which is sometimes spelled غر if that helps, but without more context I'm unsure.
شرق میانه - Middle East (at least in Dari...) right, Iranian Persian uses خاور میانه , where خاور is a "native" synonym for شرق
در طی - on, in? "during, in the course of", usually followed by a period of time, eg. در طی یک سال "over the course of a year"
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-08-17, 21:10

eskandar wrote:قر دار - pleated? (Context: دامنهای قر دار) Can you link me to the larger context this came from? I'm imagining that قر here is another kind of ناز و عشوه which is sometimes spelled غر if that helps, but without more context I'm unsure.

It's from a LangMedia dialogue in (Iranian) Persian called "Weddings in Khuzestan." It's at the end of Azita's third-to-last line:
لباس های محلی می پوشیدن و دامن های قر دار و رنگی و این ها بدش

...they...wore folk dresses. There used to be pleated skirts and colorful ones...

The next Iranian song I'm trying to translate is variously known as "Mahtab" or "Labe Boomeh" and is by Davood Behboodi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2cPq6Dc9tQ
Lyrics:

غروب شد دیگه آفتاب لب بومه
دلم تنگه و می بی تو حرومه
هزار حرف نگفته رو لبامه
هزار غصه ی پنهون تو گلومه

طفلکی دلم گیره
پای دل به زنجیره
نمیشه برم دیگه دیره

مهتاب تو چشمات
می ناب رو لبهات
منو میکشی آخر با
این امروز و فردات
دل عاشقو نشکن
تو گفتی که از اول
که عاشقتری از من

از اون روزی که عشقت
تو قلبم خونه کرده
دو تا چشم سیاهت
منو دیوونه کرده
تو باشی اگه یارم
تو این عمر دو روزه
دیگه غصه ندارم

My translation (I suspect perhaps I don't have to keep saying "attempt" now especially considering that I finally managed to translate a whole song correctly :D):

It's already sunset; the sun is setting.
I'm lonely, and wine is forbidden without you.
A thousand unspoken words are on my lips.
A thousand secret sadnesses are in my throat.

My poor heart is in love with you.
The foot of (my) heart is in chains.
I can't go; it's already too late.

The moonlight in your eyes,
Pure wine on your lips,
You're finally killing me with
This "today or tomorrow" of yours.
Don't break (my) lovelorn heart!
You said you were more in love
Than me from the beginning.

Since that day that your love
Made a home in my heart,
Your two black eyes have
Been driving me crazy.
If you are my beloved,
I have no more sorrow
In this life of two days.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2019-08-18, 17:12

vijayjohn wrote:It's from a LangMedia dialogue in (Iranian) Persian called "Weddings in Khuzestan." It's at the end of Azita's third-to-last line:
لباس های محلی می پوشیدن و دامن های قر دار و رنگی و این ها بدش

...they...wore folk dresses. There used to be pleated skirts and colorful ones...

I think this may be a local word used in Khuzestani dialects. It's hard to find in dictionaries. Eventually I located it here with the meaning "pleated", mentioned as belonging to the Dezfuli dialect. (Dezful is a city in Khuzestan). However, it also seems to appear in the Ziarati dialect of Mazandarani (appears here with the same meaning), spoken on the opposite side of the country, and in a few pages in more or less standard Persian online, so maybe it is a Persian word after all.

Just one correction on your translation:
It's already sunset; the sun is setting. the sun is at the edge (لب) of the roof (بام = بوم)
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-03-22, 13:00

After more than half a year, I've decided to come back to this thread because I think I have time to do that now and I've been finding myself randomly singing Persian songs to myself. :lol: So this time, I'm trying to translate the Afghan patriotic song "Sarzamen-i-Man" by Dawood Sarkhoush, which someone posted probably more than a decade ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVJ2ViX0N6w&eurl=
Lyrics (without repetition):

.بی آشیانه گشتم
.خانه به خانه گشتم
بی تو همیشه با غم
.شانه به شانه گشتم

،عشق یگانه من
.از تو نشانه من
بی تو نمک ندارد
.شعر و ترانه من

،سرزمین من
.خسته خسته از جفایی
.بی سرود و بی صدایی
.دردمند بی دوایی

کی غم تو را سروده؟
کی ره تو را گشوده؟
کی به تو وفا نموده؟

ماه و ستاره من
.راه دوباره من
در همه جا نمیشه
.بی تو گذاره من

گنج تو را ربودند
از بهر عشرت خود
قلب تو را شکسته
.هر که به نوبت خود

مثل چشم این ستاره
مثل دشت پر غباره
مثل قلب داغداره

Translation:

I wandered without a nest.
I wandered (from) house to house.
Without you, I always wandered
Shoulder to shoulder with sadness.

My only love,
The indication of me (comes) from you. :?:
Without you, my poem
And song have no flavor.

My country,
You are so tired from oppression.
You are without a song and without a voice.
You are a patient without medicine.

Who has sung of your sadness?
Who has opened your path?
Who has trusted you?

My moon and stars
(Are) my path again.
I can't keep going
Everywhere without you.

Everyone who has broken
Your heart in their turn
Has, for their share of
Pleasure, stolen your treasure(s).

It's like the eye of this star. :?:
It's like a dusty plain.
It's like a bereaved heart.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-03-22, 18:01

vijayjohn wrote:The indication of me (comes) from you. :?:

I didn't completely get this line either. It could be something along the lines you suggested ("the [only] indication/sign of me is from you") but I think here نشانه is used in the sense of goal, aim, target, so something along the lines of "my [only] goal is you".

Who has trusted been faithful to you?


Everyone who has broken
Your heart in their turn
Has,for their share of
Pleasure, they have stolen your treasure(s).

Here که means کی .
از بهرِ means "for, because of" eg. از بهر چه؟ (why?) or از بهر خدا "for God's sake."

It's like the eye of this star. :?:

I think this line was actually مثل چشم انتظاره .
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-03-28, 5:29

This time, I'm posting a song by Shahram Nazeri that you already posted once in the songs thread! It's his rendition of Rumi's ghazal "Ro Sar Beneh Beh Balin":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4u6wxVHZ70
Lyrics: https://ganjoor.net/moulavi/shams/ghazalsh/sh2039/
Translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0OXUdC_3W0

I actually don't have a translation for the Afghan song this time, but I'm not going to translate it myself, either, so I decided to just post it here instead so I wouldn't have to make you struggle to decipher unfamiliar expressions in Dari or Tajik. :) This is "Maida Maida" by Hamdard Bashir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmKyGFL7EMw
Lyrics: https://www.afghansonglyrics.com/Artist ... a-Yar-Zeba

The entire DLIFLC's website has been down for a while lately, I suspect for reasons having to do with the current epidemic, which also means that GLOSS is down. I think I'll compensate for now by getting more words out of LangMedia.

On the plus side, I did find this Iranian Persian to Dari dictionary on Google Books, which is helping me identify differences between them!

غروب - sunset
طفلکی - poor (as in pitiful or 'poor guy!')
دلم گیر است - my heart is in love
ناب - pure
یگانه - lone, sole, only
نشانه - goal; sign
سرود - song, anthem, hymn (sort of knew this from some titles of national anthems)
سرودن - to sing
دردمند - (medical) patient
گشودن - to open
وفا نمودن = وفا کردن - to be faithful
ربودن - to steal
از بهرِ - for, because of
عشرت - pleasure
نوبت - turn, rotation
غبار - dusty
داغدار - bereaved
نهادن - to put, place
بالین - pillow
ترک - abandonment
شبگرد - watchman, night-prowler, night-walker, thief, sleepwalker
ما - (can be royal "we")
سودا - passion (as well as 'trade')?
بخشودن (present stem بخشا) - to forgive, pardon, have mercy
عزم کردن - to resolve, determine
اژدها - dragon
زُمُرُّد - emerald
دفع - repulsion
خوب رو - handsome
واجب - imperative, essential
زردرو, زردرخ - pale, timid
میده - (in addition to 'dough', maida can also mean 'slowly' in Dari and Tajik)
گد شدن (Dari), قاطی شدن (Iranian Persian) - to blend in
چرخ زدن - to turn, spin
شانه زدن - to comb
کو - Dari for کن (imperative)
بارگاه - court
رخسار - cheek, face, countenance
خجسته - auspicious (the translation of Tutinama we've both seen says "prosperous")
میان - between
الفت - friendship, familiarity
مودت - camaraderie, cordiality, friendship
عشی - evening
خفتن - to sleep
پالکی - palanquin
ایستادن - to stand (as well as 'to stop' plus a few other similar meanings like 'to stay'; استادن is synonymous)
مستعار - fictitious
نام مستعار - penname
امکان - possibility
موسیقیایی - musical
هُوِیّت - identity
دوره - age, era
مطرح - relevant? famous? (and alive? In addition to propounded, on the carpet, under consideration. The context in this case is this sentence from LangMedia in Dari about modern Afghan female singers, written in the transcript as follows: ".در دوره فعلی کی هستن آواز خوان های زن که مطرح هستن. از کسایی که نو بر امدن" and translated into English as 'Who are the current famous singers, from the ones who have just started?')
بر آمدن - to come up
اعتراف - confession
تنوّع - variety
لحاظ - point of view
تخنیکی - technical (in Dari, and I suppose Tajik, from Russian)
روانی - psychological
انگشت شمار - few, countable on the fingers ("I can count on one hand how many...")
ادامه دادن - to continue
(پیش خود (تمرین کردن - (to practice) by oneself
پر آوازه - famous
(در این نزدیکی (ها - in this neighborhood, very recently, soon
نواختن - to play a musical instrument (in addition to hit/beat a drum or something and to caress or fondle)
حالی - at the moment/time
فنی - technical (in Iranian Persian)
منطقه - area, region
صنعتی - industrial (as well as artistic)
محسوب شدن - to be considered?
بالاخره - at last
جمعیت - population
قطب - axis, pole (also center, as in a region's economic center?)
ناحیه - area, region, sector
جهات - directions, points (plus a few other meanings)
ذوب - melting
شرکت ذوب آهن - steel mill (because that's what happens there, i.e. melting iron)
کوره - furnace, kiln, oven
صنایع - plural of صنعت
ورق - page, playing card, leaf; sheet, including e.g. sheets of metal, not just paper
نورد - beam (among other meanings)
میلگرد - iron rods (apparently, specifically rebar)
محصول (pl. محصولات) - product
تولید کردن - to produce
دانه - unit (measure word, in addition to grain, seed, plus some other meanings)
پراکندن - to scatter

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-03-28, 16:05

vijayjohn wrote:On the plus side, I did find this Iranian Persian to Dari dictionary on Google Books, which is helping me identify differences between them!

Cool!

غبار - dusty dust ("dusty" would be غبار آلود)
سودا - passion (as well as 'trade')? Yes, they're homonyms and homophones. سودا meaning trade, originally Persian, and سوداء from Arabic meaning "blackness" (and by extension, passion, melancholy, etc.) Word-final hamza usually gets dropped in Persian, leaving us with سودا for both.
مطرح - relevant? famous? (and alive? In addition to propounded, on the carpet, under consideration. The context in this case is this sentence from LangMedia in Dari about modern Afghan female singers, written in the transcript as follows: ".در دوره فعلی کی هستن آواز خوان های زن که مطرح هستن. از کسایی که نو بر امدن" and translated into English as 'Who are the current famous singers, from the ones who have just started?') I confess I hadn't encountered it in this sense before - maybe a specifically Afghan usage? At least in Iranian Persian, it usually means "proposed" "intended" "sketched out/designed" etc.
محسوب شدن - to be considered? yes, usually as part of "to be considered as..." or "to be counted as..."
شرکت ذوب آهن - steel mill (because that's what happens there, i.e. melting iron) the شرکت part means "company"
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-03-30, 15:47

Yep, I figure they decided that an "iron-melting company" is a steel mill. :)

The last song on the tape I got from our family friends is "Dokhtare Irooni" by Siavash Shams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvPfrdYulmE
Lyrics:

،دختر ایرونی، هم صدای من
،خون شرقی تو رگهای من
،عاشقت شدم، یار جون جونی
.دختر ایرونی، دختر ایرونی
،دختر ایرونی، بی رنگ و ریا
،یه فرشته از نسل آریا

هیچ کی زیر این گنبد کبود
!با من مثل تو مهربون نبود
دختر ایرونی، با وفای من
.چشمای سیات آشنای من
دختر ایرونی، بلای من
،یار خوش ادای من
،من دلم می خواد صدات کنم
.خوب من، خدای من

دختر ایرونی، وصله تنم
.گل لاله خاک میهنم
.هر جا که تو ای خونه منه
.خورشید واسمون خیمه میزنه

.می دونستم که تو همیشه مهربونی
.می دونستم می خوای تو قلب من بمونی

.دوست دارم تو رو تو غصه هات
.همش از صداقته
.دوست دارم تو رو تو هر نگات
.یه غزل نجابته

Translation:

Iranian girl in harmony with me,
Eastern blood in my veins,
I fell in love with you, dearest beloved,
Iranian girl, Iranian girl.
Iranian girl, white and unpretentious,
An angel of honorable descent,

No one under this blue dome
Has been as kind to me as you!
I am acquainted with your black eyes,
Iranian girl faithful to me.
Iranian girl, my calamity,
My well-behaved beloved one,
My heart wants me to beat for you,
My good one, my God.

Iranian girl, my flesh and blood,
Flower of a tulip of the soil of my homeland,
Anywhere you are is my home.
The sun sets up a tent for us.

I knew that you are always kind.
I knew you want to stay in my heart.

I love you in your sadnesses.
They are all out of sincerity.
I love you every time I look at you.
It's like a graceful ghazal.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-04-03, 16:49

vijayjohn wrote:Iranian girl, white innocent and unpretentious, رنگ و ریا is a set expression meaning trickery

It's like a graceful ghazal. - I would say "a ghazal of nobility" as نجابت is a noun, not an adjective

Nicely done!
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-04-12, 14:39

Thanks as always for your help and encouragement! :)

This is an Afghan song called "Firishta" written by a poet named Qahaar Assi and sung by Farhad Darya. (It so happens that Farhad Darya also sang a completely different song that is also called "Firishta"). The video is just a lyric video, so I've hidden the lyrics below this video in case it's distracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTOqAACViXs
Lyrics:
► Show Spoiler

Translation:

The green gathering of the grass has ended.
My eyes are on the road, and I've stopped waiting.
Fall has arrived, and the sickle has cut down (stalks of) wheat.
O beloved, where are you (now) that spring has ended?

The angel was a memory; the angel was a dream.
The angel was a remembrance; the angel left.

O moon, if you saw my angel
Or if you smelled a trace of that flower of mine,
If you shone next to the place
That still has custody of your love...

May I cry like crazy sitting on your road!
May I cry a river, a river, tears of blood!
May I not find a trace of you from any traveler!
May I cry on Behistun, the Mountain of Love!

Far away from you, I remain foreign and forlorn.
I remain without any kith or kin or God.
O my mate, o darling, o my half,
If I stay separate (with) my dust on you...

Until you come and so that I remember (my) indebtedness
To make my heart happy (with?) some desires,
To cry over your colorful flowers of memories
In the winding alleyway of a garden...

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-04-14, 21:50

vijayjohn wrote:The green tumult/commotion of the grass has ended.
I'm expectant, and waiting has come to an end. (چشم به راه is an idiom meaning "expectant, waiting")
Fall has arrived, and the sickle has cut down (stalks of) wheat.
O beloved, where are you (now) that spring has ended?

The angel was a memory; the angel was a dream.
The angel was a remembrance; the angel is gone for good.

O moon, if you saw my angel
Or if you heard a trace of that flower of mine,
If you shone next to the place
That still has custody of your love...
[In the previous couplet, how are you understanding بر گو ? I'm not sure what to make of it]

May I cry like crazy sitting on your road!
May I cry a river, a river, tears of blood!
May I not find a trace of you from any traveler!
May I cry on Behistun, the Mountain of Love!

Far away from you, I remain foreign and forlorn.
I remain without any kith or kin or God.
O my mate, o darling, o my half,
If I stay separate from you, woe is me! [خاک بر سر or خاک به سر is an idiom meaning woe, damnation, etc., so خاک بر سرم (here rearranged in the song as خاکم بسر) means "woe is me!"

For how long will you not come and I'll [have to] remember you? [Pay attention to how he pronounces منت in the song and you can hear that it's manat (ie. man + -at) and not minnat "indebtedness"]
For how long must I try to content myself (make my heart happy) while wishing [for you]?
For how long must I cry over the colorful flowers of your memories [memories of you] [careful not to confuse تا کی with تا که]
In the winding alleyway [ie. paths] of the garden...
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-04-25, 6:50

eskandar wrote:[In the previous couplet, how are you understanding بر گو ? I'm not sure what to make of it]

I understood the couplet to mean:

اگر تابیدی به بغل به گو که هنوز امانت عشق تو را دارد

So 'on the place', I guess.

The Iranian song I'm using this time is this rendition of Hafez's ghazal "Goftam Gham-e-To Daram":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXcg6nQ2T1A
Lyrics and rhyming translation: https://www.hafizonlove.com/divan/05/231.htm

I'm also using a Tajik song called "Charkh-i-Falak," sung by Nigina Amonqulova, with no translation into English (I'm not attempting a translation because it has at least two words that I'm pretty sure are uniquely Tajik):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCnwkkAuUg&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Lyrics (I'm not sure these are entirely accurate tbh): https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nigina-a ... yrics.html

I also found this, which seems to be helping me decipher some of the Tajik words. I had already learned оча 'mom' from this.

GLOSS is back up, and although my laptop doesn't let me access it for some reason, my phone does! So all of this vocabulary is from the the two songs I tried translating, the two I posted here, Tutinama, and GLOSS (20 words/phrases in Dari and 20 in Iranian Persian), in that order:

هم صدا - in harmony
شرقی - eastern
رگ - vein
رنگ و ریا - trickery
بی رنگ و ریا - innocent
نسل - descent, seed, offspring, progeny (in addition to 'age, generation')
آریا - noble
گنبد - dome
کبود - blue
بلا - calamity
خوش ادا - well-mannered
صدا کردن - to beat, call, invite, make a noise
وصله تن - flesh and blood
همش - all of it/them
صداقت - sincerity
نجابت - nobility
هنگامه - tumult, commotion
مرغزار - grass
چشم به راه - expectant
افتادن - to cut down (in گندمها داس افتاد, in addition to 'to fall')
خاطره - memory, remembrance
رفت که رفت - is gone for good (equivalent to colloquial Iranian دیگه رفته)
امانت - custody, safety, security
بدو - (means به او)
سرشک - tear (i.e. اشک?)
اثر - trace (in addition to various other meanings, including 'effort' as I listed before)
کوتل, کتل - steep hill, mountain
بیستون - Mount Behistun
بی نوا - forlorn
کس و کوی - kith and kin
جفت - mate (in addition to 'pair')
!خاک بر سرم - woe is me!
تا کی - how long
تا چند - (see previous)
خم خم - winding, stooping
غم تو دارم - I cry for you?
گفتا - (poetic form of گفت)
سر آمدن - to expire
رهبر - guide?
کز - singeing
خاستن - to rise
خُنَک - cool, fresh (plus a few other meanings)
نسیم - breeze
بنده پرور - cherisher of slaves
حالی - demonstrated, explained, understanding, perceiving
хестан - to rise (in Tajik, instead of خاستن, but apparently conjugated the same way in the present progressive at least)
ёла - foothill
نهاد - heart, soul (plus a few other meanings)
تاب دادن - to swing
عذاب دادن - to torture
حولی - courtyard, house
بیگانه - foreign, strange, unknown
شبت - dill
مَبلَغ - amount
مُشت - handful
جِهَت - for (same as برای; has some other related meanings, too, like 'cause' or 'motive')
نواله - morsel
ابلَه - stupid
احمق - blockhead
بی وقوف - ignorant
پنداشتن - to think, suppose, imagine
عمده - main, chief, principal
موجب - cause, motive
قابل - capable
اجرا - enforcement, execution
سرطان - crab, Cancer, the fourth month of the Solar Hijri calendar in Dari (تیر in Iranian Persian)
جاری - current (as well as 'flowing' - kind of a neat semantic parallel with English here!)
اطلاع - notice, notification, information
خالص - net (as in کرایه خالص 'net fare')
به طور مثال - for example?
مالیات - tax(es)
اضافی - additional
خط - line (as well as 'letter' and a handful of other meanings)
خطوط هوایی - airways
سند (pl. اسناد) - document
ذیل - below, the following, footnote, addenda, bottom, trail, skirt
فراهم کردن - to provide (plus a few other meanings)
کارت دانشجویی - student ID card (I kind of get this from the words except that I'm tempted to translate it as just 'student card' just in case it means there's some other kind of card students can get)
قابل توجه - worthy of attention; (at least in Dari) attention!
پیراهن - dress, gown (as well as 'shirt')
ماکسی - long (in reference to dresses)?
کوری - heel (in Dari)
بوت های کوری بلند - high heels (in Dari)
پاشْنه, پاشنۀ پا - heel (in Iranian Persian)
کفش پاشنه‌بلند - high heels (in Iranian Persian)
خانه یک خوابه - one-bedroom house?
دستشویی و حمام - bathroom (literally 'hand-washing basin and bath')?
دستشوی, دستشویی - hand-washing basin
سالن غذاخوری - dining room
جادار - big, huge, spacious
میز نهار خوری - dining table
پذیرا - accepting, receptive, susceptible; receptor, receptionist
هال و پذیرایی - living room?
ساخت - building, construction
حیاط - courtyard
استخر - pool, pond, lake
زیر زمین - basement, cellar
بنگاه - corporation
بنگاه معاملاتی - real estate?
سوییت - studio apartment?
چند نفرین - for how many people
به درد خوردن - to be of use
هم خانه - roommate, cohabitant

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-04-25, 20:13

vijayjohn wrote:افتادن - to cut down (in گندمها داس افتاد, in addition to 'to fall') no, افتادن just means "to fall". Here داس is sickle, so you have a passive construction: the wheat fell by the sickle, ie. the wheat was cut down
غم تو دارم - I cry for you? yes basically; hard to express concisely in English but it means I'm distressed, melancholy, dejected, out of yearning for you
رهبر - guide? yes, or leader
کز - singeing no, here it's just a common poetic contraction of که از
شبت - dill just curious, did this come up in Afghan media? I didn't know this word, just knew شوید for dill
بی وقوف - ignorant very common in Hindi/Urdu!
جاری - current (as well as 'flowing' - kind of a neat semantic parallel with English here!) probably (originally) calqued straight from English in this sense
به طور مثال - for example? yep
ماکسی - long (in reference to dresses)? yes it's English "maxi" as in "maxi skirt" (long, opposite of mini skirt)
خانه یک خوابه - one-bedroom house? yes
دستشویی و حمام - bathroom (literally 'hand-washing basin and bath')? yes, and while دستشویی literally means sink (hand-washing basin), it's very commonly used to politely/obliquely refer to the toilet
دستشوی, دستشویی - hand-washing basin see above
هال و پذیرایی - living room? yes
بنگاه معاملاتی - real estate? real estate company (I think)
سوییت - studio apartment? suite (English/French)
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-05-01, 5:22

eskandar wrote:شبت - dill just curious, did this come up in Afghan media? I didn't know this word, just knew شوید for dill

No, in "Charkhi Falak": در حولی بیگانه شبت میکارم.
بی وقوف - ignorant very common in Hindi/Urdu!

Yeah. :lol:

Our Iranian family friends had also given us another audiotape of songs that were all by Morteza. I haven't actually listened to the whole tape in probably dozens of years by now; this is the only song I remember hearing on that tape one time when I found it several years ago. It's called "Aman Aman":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7mMAHzSO0
Lyrics:

!این چنین تند مرو
تو مگر عمر منی
.که چنین می گذری
!لحظه ای باز بمان
تو مگر روح منی
.که چنین دربدری

.این تو بودی که سخن می گفتی
.قصه عشق به من می گفتی
.نگهت رخنه به ایمانم کرد
.عشق تو بی سروسامانم کرد
.سوختم، مات شدم، لرزیدم

!ای امان، امان، قاتلم بودی
!قاتل دل غافلم بودی
.سرگردون بودم، از راه اومدی
.گمراهم کردی، راهمو زدی

.من خراب تو دل آزار شدم
.عاشق و خسته و بیمار شدم
.تن من بود و نیاز تن تو
.مات و مبهوت گرفتار شدم

Translation:

Don't go so quickly!
Why, you are my life
Leaving like this.
Stay behind for a moment!
Why, you are my soul;
You are such a vagrant.

It was you who spoke.
You told me a love story.
Your glance penetrated my faith.
It made me love you without settling down.
I burned; I was dumbfounded; I trembled.

Oh, mercy, mercy, you were my murderer!
You were the murderer of my careless heart!
I was a wanderer; you came by the road.
You led me astray; you robbed me on the highway.

I was destroyed by you, and my heart was torn.
I fell in love and became thirsty and sick,
And my body needed your body.
Dumbfounded and dumbstruck, I was trapped.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-05-01, 23:54

vijayjohn wrote:Translation:

It made me love you without settling down. Your love made me destitute (figuratively, "robbed me of everything")

I fell in love and became thirsty tired and sick, [you were probably thinking of تشنه thirsty)
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-05-04, 19:59

I used to confuse those words all the time, so I convinced my brain that that's what that word meant in that context and forgot that I was wrong. :lol:

This time, I'm trying to translate (the beginning of) an Afghan song called "Biya Ki Kabul Jan Burem" by Najim Nawabi (because that's the part I found video footage for and I can't really find the rest of the lyrics anyway):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCpcYLrudI
Lyrics:

!زمانه بر سر جنگ است، یا علی، مددی
!کمک ز غیر تو ننگ است، یا علی، مددی
.گشود کار دو عالم به یک اشاره توست
!به کار ما چه درنگ است؟ یا علی، مددی

!بیا که کابل جان بریم
!داریم صد ارمان بریم
!مست و غزل خوان بریم
!کابل جانان بریم

.از اینجا تا به کابل پیاده میرم
.نذر دارم به هرکس داده میرم
.نذر دارم که کابل جانه ببینم
.تماشا کرده و آزاده میرم

Translation:

It is wartime; o Ali, help us!
Help from anyone but you is shameful; o Ali, help us!
The work of two lives was done at a sign of yours.
What delay is there in our work? O Ali, help us!

Come on, let's go to dear Kabul!
Let's go; we have a hundred wishes!
Let's go drunk and singing ghazals!
Let's go to beloved Kabul!

I'm going from here to Kabul by foot.
I'm going; I have a vow I made to everyone.
I have a vow to see dear Kabul.
I'm going sightseeing freely.

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-05-04, 23:08

vijayjohn wrote:Translation:

The work of two lives worlds was done at a sign of yours. (The "two worlds" refers to this world and the afterlife, it's a common trope in Islamicate literatures. In other words, everything in existence is done at your command)
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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2020-05-13, 15:33

I got that but didn't translate 'world' literally enough because I forgot that Abrahamic religions treat the afterlife as a world rather than a life. :lol:

The Iranian song I'm using this time is "Kharchanghaye Mordabi" by Habib (Mohebian), once posted in the Forum Song Contest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM8CWCtcb_I
Lyrics and translation: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/kharchan ... rdabi.html

And the non-Iranian song I'm using is "Har Shab Manam Fitada," a ghazal by Amir Khusro, as sung by Pakistani singer Ejaz Hussain Hazravi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkhHBiJyJE
And I finally found the lyrics to the whole ghazal (with misspellings, but no matter since they are spelled correctly in the video and elsewhere, e.g. on ganjoor.net) with translations into Urdu and English! http://pathofmystics.com/poem-every-night/

One question about the last line in the lyrics (not the last line in the ghazal itself): The link has دستم نمی دهد که نهم سر به پای تو translated into Urdu as بس نہیں چلتا کہ تیرے پاؤں پر سر رکھ دوں and into English as 'I cannot control myself from sacrificing my head and leaving it at your feet'. I'm willing to believe the Urdu translation is correct, but isn't the English translation saying the opposite of the original and the Urdu translation? :hmm:

باز ماندن - to stay behind
نگه - look, glance (had to look this up to figure out whether it meant 'glance' or 'gaze')
رخنه کردن - to penetrate
ببی سروسامان - destitute?
مات شدن - to become dumbfounded
لرزیدن - to shake, tremble
غافل - weak
راه زدن - to rob on the highway
دل آزار - heart-rending
مبهوت - similar to مات (dumbstruck)
ننگ - shame
گشودن - (figuratively) to resolve, disclose
درنگ - delay
ارمان - desire, wish
نذر - oath, vow
تماشا - sightseeing
خرچنگ - crab
مرداب - marsh, swamp
هیاهو - commotion
لال - mute
(خوشا (به حال کسی - fortunate/happy/blessed (is someone)
کلاغ (pl. کلاغان) - crow
قیل و قال - noise
شرح دادن - to explain, clarify
ناباور - nonbeliever
خیال پرست - idealistic?
زلال - pure (water?)
رسیده - ripe (in addition to 'arrived' etc.)
علف هرزه (in "Kharchanghaye Mordabi" هرزه علف without ezafe) - weed
کال - unripe
کمال - completion
انا الحق - "I am the Truth"
زوال - decline or downfall (apparently of others in the context of "Kharchanghaye Mordabi")
فتادن - (same as افتادن)
برگرد - around
استخوان - bone
نثار کردن - to offer, sacrifice
لطف - kindness, grace
قباحت - filth
شناعت - abomination
ترقی - progress, growth
خوش جمال - beauteous, beautiful
صاحب کمال - accomplished
نما - (present tense stem of نمودن)
بِخْرَد - wise
خِرَد - wisdom, intellect, understanding (completely forgot the Shahnameh has this word in the very first line)
متعجب - surprised
مبلغ - amount
جامعه - society
مدنی - civil, urban
سابق - former; past
کلگی - everyone (in (informal spoken?) Dari)
رشته - profession/field/line
جای تاسف - pity
استعداد - talent (among other meanings)
عرصه - arena
لیسه هنرها - fine arts (apparently, in Dari)
صنف دوازده - twelfth grade (in Dari)
وزیدن - to blow
نتیجه - result, consequence, issue, conclusion, great-grandchild
آلودگی - pollution
کارخانه جات، کارخانجات‎ - (Arabized!) equivalent of کارخانه‌ها
قطعه - part
یدکی - spare
پالایشگاه - refinery
پیست اسکی - ski resort (from French, of course - probably only in Iranian Persian)
درآمد - income
کلا - altogether, in general
جاکت - sweater (as well as 'jacket', in Dari)
دریشی - suit (in Dari, maybe from "dress"?)
موزه - boot (native word, in addition to the French loanword for 'museum'!)
چرم - leather
مامور - employee (pl. مامورین)
حراج - public sale, auction
بالاپوش - overcoat, quilt
کورتی - jacket (in Dari)
کُلاه - hat
!نوش جان - enjoy (your food/drink)!
ژاکت - sweater (as well as 'jacket', in Iranian Persian)
تازه وارد - newcomer
در هر صورت - anyway
دیگر - next (as in 'next week', 'next month')
مث - colloquial form of مثل?
قرار - home, abode, dwelling
همین الان - now (soon?)
از دست دادن - to lose, waste
نقلی - (colloquially) small, cozy, compact, slim; (also) traditional, narrative, historical
تبلیغ - ad

EDIT: Finally figured out what پک means in Hazaragi. Apparently, it just means 'all' and is of Persian origin. :hmm: Maybe it's related to پکی پکی/یکی بیکی?
EDIT2: Changed the last word to something I haven't already listed before :P

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Re: Persian Study Group

Postby eskandar » 2020-05-22, 22:44

vijayjohn wrote:One question about the last line in the lyrics (not the last line in the ghazal itself): The link has دستم نمی دهد که نهم سر به پای تو translated into Urdu as بس نہیں چلتا کہ تیرے پاؤں پر سر رکھ دوں and into English as 'I cannot control myself from sacrificing my head and leaving it at your feet'. I'm willing to believe the Urdu translation is correct, but isn't the English translation saying the opposite of the original and the Urdu translation? :hmm:

Yeah, I think you're right.

نگه - look, glance (had to look this up to figure out whether it meant 'glance' or 'gaze') I would say it can definitely be either glance or gaze, depending on context. As you probably figured out, it's a poetic contraction of نگاه
ببی بی سروسامان - destitute? yes
غافل - weak ignorant, heedless
خیال پرست - idealistic? yes
زلال - pure (water?) yes, pure/clear water
قطعه - part
یدکی - spare these two generally go together as قطعات یدکی ; fwiw I haven't encountered یدکی outside of this compound
مث - colloquial form of مثل? yep
همین الان - now (soon?) means "right now" and, depending on context, could be "right away"
نقلی - (colloquially) small, cozy, compact, slim; (also) traditional, narrative, historical just in case you didn't know, the former meaning is "noqli" and the latter meaning is "naqli"
Please correct my mistakes in any language.


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