nadi wrote:I don't think it is proper here to begin a chicken and egg argument about Turkey's Kurdish, or democratization policies because the process is just at the beginning and it hasn't given its fruits vividly yet. On the other hand social changes don't show themselves like a newly painted house and as far as I see many people around don't know what is really happening in Turkey nowadays. What I would like to say is that the Turkish society has the determination and courage to change positively.I think at least this should be appreciated.
Mert wrote:Some claim that celebrating new year of gregorian calender is sin, because it doesn't belong to Islamic culture. Moreover a group of Turkish mullahs protested at the celebrating.
huhmzah wrote:In my opnion, just because historically at one point the Muslim administration decided to calculate its dates from the Hijra doesn't automatically render all other methods of keeping a track of dates "unislamic". I'm not sure what Islamic culture is considering Islam can manifest itself in various garbs and does -- one can be Persian or an American and partake in Persian or American "culture" (food, dress, language, aesthetics etc) and still be a practicing Muslim. I'm Pakistani and our indigenous "Islam" is superimposed onto an underlying Indian culture -- excluding practices/cultural norms clearly in opposition to Islamic values (say, the caste system), all else (at least in my opinion) is fair game . So celebrating a cultural festival that has no real religious significance any more (and even if it does, it's not one that could be offensive to Muslim sensibilities regardless -- the birth of Jesus) I can't see why celebrating that would become a sin. Sin's too heavy a word for those Turkish mullah's to be throwing around. I don't think Islam has any homogeneous "cultural" reality but rather traverses many and not everything outside the historical development of Islam is inherently unislamic. Doesn't Iran have it's own native pre-Muslim calendar system as well?
Mert wrote:Some claim that celebrating new year of gregorian calender is sin, because it doesn't belong to Islamic culture. Moreover a group of Turkish mullahs protested at the celebrating. So, is it ban to celebrate new year in Iran?
Gaile Irene wrote:Here in the U.S. one's right to religious freedom is included in the very first amendment to the Constitution (the supreme law of the land). In recent years, certain Muslims have come to the U.S. and tried to impose their own particular version of Islam on other Muslims. They say it is haram to have Christian friends or to wish your Christian neighbor a "Merry Christmas", they say it is haram to eat turkey on Thanksgiving (a national holiday where turkey is a traditional meal), that it is haram to celebrate a child's birthday party, that is is haram for any Muslim to sing or to participate in a dance class in school. I can't help but think why do they feel the need to control other people so much? They came to this country and must respect other people's rights to interpret their own religion in their own way. I then think, why don't they go back to their dictatorships and warlords, since they like to tell people what they should and should not do. Imagine, one of my neighbors, who is a very generous and kind woman and happens to be Jewish, told me about another neighborhood where she used to live. Refugees from Afghanistan moved in across from her house. The man of the house, an Afghan, one day said to her that he was upset that a Jewish family lived close to him. If you can't tolerate Jews or people who are of a different faith or who believe differently from you - if you cannot tolerate it, go back to where you came from! Feeling that you must control others in everything is a symptom of a mental disease.
I wonder, those of you outside of the States, do you feel sometimes that others are trying to force you to follow their own personal interpretations of Islam and how you should live your life? How do you feel when they tell you it is forbidden to you as a Muslim to wish your neighbor a Happy New Year? That a holiday you celebrate is haram? How do you feel about such issues?
Gaile Irene wrote:it is haram to have Christian friends or to wish your Christian neighbor a "Merry Christmas", they say it is haram to eat turkey on Thanksgiving (a national holiday where turkey is a traditional meal), that it is haram to celebrate a child's birthday party, that is is haram for any Muslim to sing or to participate in a dance class in school.
As far as I know Iranians, they typically assimilate and even, many of them become more American than Americans
I have a funny haram story:
One colleague (from Irak) told me that when the space shuttle columbia exploded it was because going to space is haram. The funny thing is that he is an engineer.
Mert wrote:He shouted at me: "You don't have belief, you are kafir"
camelkebab wrote:"don't eat pork, that is a sin, you are a bad moslem".
kalemiye wrote:Some people did not leave their countries at own will, and their mentalities are not ready to accept the different reality they live in, nor they are willing to make that reality they are living in a part of their own lives. Sometimes even when people leave their country at their own will, they are not willing to make their temporary or not so temporary residence customs and culture a part of their own.
alijsh wrote:Are there (m)any Iranians among them? As far as I know Iranians, they typically assimilate and even, many of them become more American than Americans
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