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Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-11, 15:57
by voron
Question words:
key - when
kam - who
se - what
--- se biyo? - what happened?

Deictic pronouns:
no (m.)/na (f.) - (nominative case) this
ni (m.) - (oblique case) this

Adverbs:
nika - now

Postpositions:
re -- dative or directional
--- Nika ma re se biyo? - Now what happened to us?
ver -- because of
--- ez merdo ni derdu ver - I died because of this problem

Verbs:
merdo - I died
mando/mendo - I came
şiyo - I went
kerd - he does. Used as auxiliary in a lot of compound verbs.
--- nas kerd - he knows
--- sas kerd - he confuses, mistakes

Words for mother and father:
nominative: mo and pi (as in Persian)
vocative: daye and bavo (as in Kurmanji)

Sound changes, Zazaki -> Kurmanji
z -> j
roz - roj (day)

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-12, 6:41
by Karavinka
Good luck! :D This probably is going to be a lonely journey, I don't think it's easy to follow a thread like this unless you know the language, and I doubt many know Zaza. Might be the time to say thank you for your support on my Turkish thread. :)

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-12, 11:28
by voron
Karavinka wrote:Good luck! :D This probably is going to be a lonely journey, I don't think it's easy to follow a thread like this unless you know the language, and I doubt many know Zaza. Might be the time to say thank you for your support on my Turkish thread. :)

Thanks! My progress will be like 10 times slower than yours. I just want to learn something and have fun with my Zaza friends by surprising them with random words here and there (I have 2 -- and I'm not even sure how much Zaza they know, I have never heard them speak it); and learn something about the Zaza culture.

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-13, 18:25
by linguoboy
voron wrote:nominative: mo and pi (as in Persian)
vocative: daye and bavo (as in Kurmanji)

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Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-13, 18:59
by voron
linguoboy wrote:Dafuq?

Yeah, I noticed it based on two songs I did for Zazaki so far,

Erdoğan Emir - Ez Merdo
-- Key khe laz mo u pî nas nîkerd - When the son does not know his mother and father

Mikail Aslan - Hal Yamano
-- Daye hal yamano - Mother, the situation is bad
-- Bawo hal se beno -- Father, what will become of the situation?

and I wouldn't rush to make such a bold conclusion (I would assume that may be the samples belong to different dialects), but I found it in Todd's "A Grammar of Dimili" as well:
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Apparently Kurmanji vocative forms sounded so cool that the Zaza decided to borrow them. :)
And hey, I didn't think anyone would ever try to follow this thread, thanks!

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-02-13, 19:02
by linguoboy
I knew a Zazaki speaker when I was Germany and she translated a sentence for me. And that's the one and only time I ever did anything with the language!

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-03-20, 15:23
by aaakknu
How is your Zazaki learning going? You haven't posted any updates for some time.

Re: Zazaki - voron

Posted: 2018-03-22, 23:51
by voron
Irusia wrote:How is your Zazaki learning going? You haven't posted any updates for some time.

I dropped it.
viewtopic.php?p=1099293#p1099293

But I'll be back...