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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-10, 18:29

I guess I'll try Exercise #3 on p. 37? I don't really get whether they're only looking for at most four sentences each or they want you to write out all the sentences...

Dema boriya têdeyî (Simple past?)
Çavên min li çiyan, ez di nav xeyalan de bûm.
Jineke ciwan li tenişta min bû.
Min got û min dîsa berê xwe da derve.
Bajarok pir biçûk bû, lewre gihaştina navendê zêde dom nekir. (Not sure whether this counts as two sentences or one for the purpose of the exercise :P Same with some of these others)

Dema boriya berdest (Imperfect)
Pitika li hembêza wê bi giriyê xwe dilê mirov disot.
Jinika reben ji aliyekî ve li ber pitika xwe diket, ji aliyê din ve jî ji ber giriyê keça xwe şerm dikir.
Dema ku min berê xwe da derve, em di riyên kevirî re diçûn navenda bajêr.
Ji bo ku ez ji tu tiştî nemînim, min çavên xwe li derdorê digirandin.

Dema boriya dûdar (Perfect(?))
Wê bi girî qirik li xwe qetandiye.
Bijîşk got guhên wê kul bûne(?).
[I don't see any others].

Meanwhile, I listened to the next few songs from the songs thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vES-pyKw8hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC1CGFeGfY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQV6-W3aUE
Lyrics (from the comments but just posting them here so they're easier for me to read while watching the video):

Canda, tu gul ba biçanda
Te sozek we roja han da
Şev çû cane tu nehati
Ez mam heya mele bang da

Tirsim ya dil bejim hina,
ew dil lo li ba min tina
Tişte bi sere min hatina
Him ditirsim him newerim

Canda, can bi te disperim
Ter nabim çendi binerim
Te divem û nikarim bejim
Te di nava dil da vedişerim

Se sal mi dil da hilani
Te dil ji navam derani
Herkes li gunde me dizani
Ku se sal ez li benda te mam

Canda, tu gul ba biçanda
Te sozek wé roja han da
Şev çû cane tu nehati
Ez mam heya mele bang da

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmB-R8M-5mk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5NIHjGOpxs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ebi3dHuKL8

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-14, 12:43

I will do the next exercise soon, and meanwhile just for a change I'll try to transcribe a part of this story (The Wizard of Oz -- Sêhrbazê Oz). It's not too hard because it's standard Kurdish, and there are English subtitles as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzBamx5llJk

Hebû tunebû, di deşt de bajarê Kansasê keçika piçûk u bedew bi navê Dorothy dijiya. Wê bi cewrikê hevalê xwe bi navê Toto re dilîst. Di rojeke xweş de dema Dorothy û Toto di baxçeyê xwe de dilîstin, bahozekî ê ber bi bajarê wan ve dihat dît.
- Toto, dê hadi em biçin malê, lez bike!
Dema Dorothy û Toto ketin hundur, bahozê mal jê de (?) rakir û bir cihekî ji bajarê Kansasê gelekî dûr. Dorothy ji vî tiştî bêhay bû. Dema bahoz sekinî, Dorothy ji mal derket û nêrî, li cihekî xerîb ê.

Vijay, you may do whatever you feel like with it: read it, or try to transcribe a piece of it too, or just ignore it. :)

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-14, 14:17

Exercise 5 on page 37
1. dît, bûm
2. diçûn, kir
3. hat, dixwar
4. bûm, dibariya
5. qediya, vegeriyan

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-16, 7:22

I listened to it, but I'm still trying to work through the Dersa Kurdî videos and transcribe those! So I think I'll try to do that before trying to transcribe these kinds of things. :P Interesting that they chose to view The Wizard of Oz as a story about teamwork, though; I've never heard of that interpretation before. I'm mainly familiar with the interpretation that it's a political allegory/satire (of American politics in 1900). :lol:

Exercise 1 on p. 38

1. Komara Tirkiyeyê di sala 1923'yan de ava bûye. - The Republic of Turkey was founded in the year 1923.
2. Qazî Mihamed serokê Komara Mehabadê ye. - Qazi Muhammad is the head of the Republic of Mahabad.
3. Berhevkirina çîrokên gelêrî xebateke çandî ye. - Collecting popular stories is a cultural activity.
4. Artêşê Amerîkayê di sala 2003'yan Iraq dagir kir. - The American army occupied Iraq in 2003.
5. Şerê li Iraqê bû sedema pirsgirêkên aborî û civakî. - The war in Iraq was the cause of economic and social problems.
6. Paytexta Almanyayê Berlîn e. - The capital of Germany is Berlin.
7. Neteweyên Yekbûyî rêxistina navneteweyî ye. - The United Nations is an international organization.
8. Parastina mafên mirovan peywira her mirovî ye. - The protection of human rights is the duty of every human.
9. Şer li cîhanê dibin sedema xizin. - Wars bring poverty to the world. :?:

I listened to the next three Kurmanji songs I could find in the songs thread while doing part of this exercise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlPVj9MBWSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sAysAxHahI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtcsZRnmSkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lAaKU6Om9A

I was also listening to Dersa Kurdî 4 and trying to transcribe it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmvQVeZ39c
But only got this far:

Azad: Ez...tu...ew!
Bawer: Aw, aw!
A: Ez...tu...ew!
B: Aw!
Rojda: Bipirse lê! :?:
A: Ez...tu...ew!
B: Ew. He...ku rû çi ye tê? :?:
A: Çi ye?
R: Azad, çi halî ye?
A: Çi ye? Kî? :?:
R: Çi halê tê ye? Av, di çiya tê dibêjî? :?:
A: Çi halê min e?
B: "Ew, ew" dibêjî?
A: Ez...tu...ew!
R: Belê...?
B: "Ew, ew" got, min jî got, ku ji kê ve dirî çi ye, çi bûye? :?:
R: Dîn bû ya, dîn bû ya!
A: Ez...
B: A, tu...?
A: Tu...
B: Ez?
A: Ew!
R: Belê?
B: Eeew!
A: Em...hûn...
R: Çi halî ye?
A: Ew!...Ah. Bibêje! Bawerê pir zana. :?:
R: :lol:
A: Ez...

Then I don't understand what Rojda and Azad say just after that.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-16, 17:26

vijayjohn wrote:Then I don't understand what Rojda and Azad say just after that.

They say "şiyar be, şiyar be ji xew kuro!"

Kuro is the vocative of kur, a very popular form of address to a guy.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-16, 18:20

Spas! But sorry, what does Rojda say right after that? :oops: It sounds like "li bis" or something, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. :hmm:

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-16, 21:20

I think she says: lê bes - but enough.

One note about colloquial Kurdish. When using the imperative, people often omit the imperative prefix bi-, and start with the root:
bêje - say, speak! ('proper' form: bibêje)
be - be! ('proper' form: bibe)
etc.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-17, 22:55

Oh OK, thanks! In Persian, my understanding is that both forms are equally acceptable, in colloquial or written Persian.

I tried to transcribe some more. :P

A: Ha, ez, yanî...kî?
R: Azad.
A: Azad!
R: Belê?
B: Axir kê me? :?:
A: Tuuu...
B: Ez?
A: Yanî, Bawer!
B: Eee...?
R: Belê?
A: Eeew...binere, binere! Eeew, yanî...?
(B: Tu...)
R: Rojda.
A: Rojda!
B: Ey baş e, çi bûye?
A: Hah, ku rû eeez...
B: Tu?
A: Azad im!
B: Azad î, erê...
R: Tu Azad î, belê...
A: Erê. Tuu...kî yî?
B: Bawer im.
R: Bawer e.
A: Bawer î!...Ew...binere, ew kî ye?
B: Kî ye?
A: Rojda ye.
B: Baş e.
A: Erê!
R: Tu kî yî?
A: Hahaa! Navê min...Azad e!
B: Navê tê Azad e. Ey, çi bûye?
R: :lol:
A: Navê tê...çi ye?
B: Çi ye?
A: Bawer e!
R: Em ??? Naxwa :?: navê min Rojda ye.
A: Aha, navê wê Rojda ye.
B: Kerem...
A: Em...em, yanî em her sê, em...çi ne?
A, R: Kurd in!
R: Belê. Haaa!
B: Me Bawer im me ??? dibêje
A: Ez...tu...
A, B: Ew...em...hûn...
A, R: Ew. Ez, tu, ew, em, hûn...
A: Ew! Asman, teyr, baran...
R: Pir tu...! :lol:
B: Ku rû tek... :?:
A: Berf e, ew...
B: (says something I can't make out)
R: Ne baş e îro. :?:
A: Ez...
B: Ne baş e.
A: Tu...
B: Ez ditirsim ki... :?:
A: Ew...
R: Di kam dibim jê bir. :?:
A: Em, hûn, ew! Eez...tuu...ew...
B: Çara, pencê min e. Tu dibêjî, kuro, çi dikî? "Me, ez, tu, ew, wê," çi bûye?
R: :lol: Ev bes e, bes e! :?:
A: Dika tu bêje! :?:
B: Ez, tu, ew.
A: Ha!
R: :lol: Bravo, bravo.
B: Em. Hûn...ana!
A: Bijî ji wara!
R: Em...em.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-18, 18:01

vijayjohn wrote:B: Axir kê me? :?:

Aqil kêm heee.
A: Eeew...binere, binere! Eeew, yanî...?

binêre

A: Hah, ku rû eeez...

kuro

R: Em ??? Naxwa :?: navê min Rojda ye.

Ee wisa wisa. Nexwe navê min Rojda ye.

B: Kerem...

Kuro mmm...

B: Me Bawer im me ??? dibêje

dîsa jî bêje.
I think he says "Ne Bawer, ne".


R: Pir tu...! :lol:

Pirtûk

B: Ku rû tek... :?:

kuro
Can't make out this part as they are speaking all together

B: Çara, pencê min e. Tu dibêjî, kuro, çi dikî? "Me, ez, tu, ew, wê," çi bûye?

cara pêncemîn e.

A: Dika tu bêje! :?:

dê ka tu bêje

A: Bijî ji wara!

bijî ji we re

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-18, 18:12

The most important words that we can learn from this dialog, and which are really used by Kurds a lot:
kuro! - man! dude!
wisa - yes, right (literally: this way, like that)
(bi)bêje! - say! speak!
binêre! - look! (in my friends' dialect it's mêz ke, from mêze kirin)
dê, ka - intensifying particles used before the imperative (dê were - do come! ka bêje - go ahead and tell!)

Here is a song named "Dê Were", by one of my favourite Kurdish bands "Grup Seyran".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRghIgutSk

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-20, 8:58

Spas, voron! :)

So I guess this:
B: Ew. He...ku rû çi ye tê? :?:

Is really "kuro, çi ye tê...?" or something?

And at 3:37, I think Bawer says something like "ka bisekine!"?

This is almost all I could get of the rest of the dialogue, unfortunately. :P

R: Em...
A: Êdî çawan baş fêr bû!
R: Em...ya ez kurd im...
A: Aha!
R: Tu kurd î, ew kurd e!
B: Ew ne kurd e.
R: :lol: Belê, kurd e.
B: Belî ye.
R: Tu kurd î? Ah...
A: Erê, ez kurd im.
B: Ew kurd e.
R: Ji tê Bawer ne kî ye Bawer? :?: :lol:
A: Bawer ne kî pir kaw ye! :?:
B: Ew çi ye?
A: Ew kurd e.
B: Ez çi me?
A: Tu kurd î...
B: Em çi ne?
A: Em kurd in!
R: Belê.
B: Rast e!
A: Bijî ji were!
R: Hûn kurd in ya, erê!
A: Bijî, bijî, bijî!

I don't think I can make out most of what's said after that.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-20, 16:58

vijayjohn wrote:
B: Ew. He...ku rû çi ye tê? :?:

Is really "kuro, çi ye tê...?" or something?

I hear: Kuro, çi ye? (Man, what's up?) And then it sounds like he starts the next sentence with 'tu'.

R: Ji tê Bawer ne kî ye Bawer?

Ji te bawer nake Bawer. - He doesn't believe you, Bawer.
bawer kirin - to believe (that's where the name Bawer comes from)

A: Bawer ne kî pir kaw ye!

Bawer nake (?) wî ye. - (If) he doesn't believe, it is his (?) - The word behind (?) should be something like "problem". I can't hear what it is.

A: Bijî ji were!

Bijî ji we re. - Kudos to you (pl), with the circumposition ji ... re.

I don't think I can make out most of what's said after that.

Here's my try, with a kind of literal translation.

A: Te dît, ne zahmet bû. - You saw, it wasn't hard.
B: Pir bi zahmet. - Very hard.
R: Pir hesan e. - Very easy.
A: Baş e. - Ok.
B: Xewa min çû. (?) nayê. - My sleep went away. (?) is not coming.
A: Musadeya te heye? - Do you have permission? (Meaning: can I finally get some sleep?).
B: Belê. - Ok.
R: Dîsa (?) dewam dikî. - Now (?) go ahead.
A: Hûn fêr bûn? - Did you learn?
R: Baş e, ez herim dersa xwe. - OK, I am going to my lesson.
A: Hûn dikarin biçin, belê belê. - You (pl) can go, ok ok.
R: Bi xatirê we. - Good bye to you (pl).
B: Here, here. Xewa min tê. - Go, go. My sleep is coming.
A: Tu jî bes ji xwe re baş î. - You are only good on your own.
B: Kuro berde, karê min e, ez ê sibe herim ser karê xwe, xewa min tê. - Man, let go, I have work, tomorrow I will go to work, my sleep is coming.

Xewa min tê/xewa min nayê (I want to sleep/I don't want to sleep) are really very common expressions among Kurds.
Xewa min nayê is in particular a common line in love songs.

The next part in the video is easier to transcribe, because the teacher speaks clearly and slowly.

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Re: Kurmanji Study Group

Postby voron » 2018-09-22, 9:20

vijayjohn wrote:Exercise 1 on p. 38

9. Şer li cîhanê dibin sedema xizin. - Wars bring poverty to the world. :?

sedema xizanî

I'm doing the following exercises listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQT9805ujU

Exercise 2 on p.38 asks to choose words from the list related to wêje (literature).
helbestvan - poet
çîrok - story
destan - epos
nivîskî - written
devkî - oral (this word's composition is fun: dev means 'mouth')
şano - theatre
pêkenok - humour
metelok - proverb
berhem - masterpiece
pexşan - prose

Exercise 1 on p.39
1. Behman Qubadî di sala 1969'an de hatiye cîhanê.
2. Bajarê Banê li Rojhilatê Kurdistanê nêzîkî sînorê Îran û Iraqê ye.
3. Qubadî li bajarê Sineyê dibistana amadehî qedandiye.
4. Behman Qubadî li Tehranê dest bi xwendina bilind kiriye.
5. Karê pêşîn ê Qubadî wênekêşî bû.
6. Navê navdartirîn kurtefîlmê Qubadî 'Jiyana di nav mijê de' ye.
7. 'Dema Hespên Sermest' yekemîn filmê dirêj ê kurdên Îranê yê Behman Qubadî ye.


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