Swedish Course

[Hunef]

Dingbats: "The expression "Until then" is "tills dess", which is idiomatic."

Strange, I have always been writing till dess 'until then' but tills 'until'. Searching on Google, till dess renders some 755,000 hits and tills dess only 197,000.

Historically, I think tills is a contraction of Old Swedish til + þess. (til + þess > tiless > tils > tills.)

NB: In Jamtlandic we say tilst /test/ meaning both Swedish tills and till dess. (E.g. Dað er lengj' tilst =Swe Det är långt till dess 'It is a long time until then'.) This supports the fact that tills is actually a contracted version of till dess.

[Dingbats]

Dingbats: "The expression "Until then" is "tills dess", which is idiomatic."

Strange, I have always been writing till dess 'until then' but tills 'until'. Searching on Google, till dess renders some 755,000 hits and tills dess only 197,000.

Historically, I think tills is a contraction of Old Swedish til + þess. (til + þess > tiless > tils > tills.)

NB: In Jamtlandic we say tilst /test/ meaning both Swedish tills and till dess. (E.g. Dað er lengj' tilst =Swe Det är långt till dess 'It is a long time until then'.) This supports the fact that tills is actually a contracted version of till dess.

I stand corrected. But I personally at least do say "tills dess" /tɪsˈd̥e̽sː/.

[Aszev]

Dingbats: "The expression "Until then" is "tills dess", which is idiomatic."

Strange, I have always been writing till dess 'until then' but tills 'until'. Searching on Google, till dess renders some 755,000 hits and tills dess only 197,000.

Historically, I think tills is a contraction of Old Swedish til + þess. (til + þess > tiless > tils > tills.)

NB: In Jamtlandic we say tilst /test/ meaning both Swedish tills and till dess. (E.g. Dað er lengj' tilst =Swe Det är långt till dess 'It is a long time until then'.) This supports the fact that tills is actually a contracted version of till dess.

I stand corrected. But I personally at least do say "tills dess".

Jag med.

[Skurai]

Dingbats: "The expression "Until then" is "tills dess", which is idiomatic."

Strange, I have always been writing till dess 'until then' but tills 'until'. Searching on Google, till dess renders some 755,000 hits and tills dess only 197,000.

Historically, I think tills is a contraction of Old Swedish til + þess. (til + þess > tiless > tils > tills.)

NB: In Jamtlandic we say tilst /test/ meaning both Swedish tills and till dess. (E.g. Dað er lengj' tilst =Swe Det är långt till dess 'It is a long time until then'.) This supports the fact that tills is actually a contracted version of till dess.

I stand corrected. But I personally at least do say "tills dess".

Jag med.

Samma här.
Guys, i will try and write some stuff for the next lesson today.

[Hunef]

I would definitely say till dess /träss/ or /teräss/. But have no problem hearing people say tills dess, and I would pronunce it /tes däss/ if using it.

[Dingbats]

I would definitely say till dess /träss/ or /teräss/. But have no problem hearing people say tills dess, and I would pronunce it /tes däss/ if using it.

I assume /ä/ is the "ä" vowel and not a centralised /a/?

[Hunef]

I would definitely say till dess /träss/ or /teräss/. But have no problem hearing people say tills dess, and I would pronunce it /tes däss/ if using it.

I assume /ä/ is the "ä" vowel and not a centralised /a/?

With /ä/ I mean the short swedish vowel 'ä' as in täcke, säll etc.

[Aszev]

That would be /E/ in ipa.

[Hunef]

I would say it is SAMPA /E/.

[Aszev]

and as you know, I wouldn't.

[Skurai]

sorry for not writing any lessons in a while, i've been busy with school but i have some swedish homework i have to do later so then i can write some, cheers!

-skurai-

[Hunef]

Aszev: "and as you know, I wouldn't."

since you've got some weird dialect noone understands.

[Aszev]

since you've got some weird dialect noone understands.

Jag är ganska säker på att det inte är jag som har den skummaste dialekten.

Je suis sûr que ce n'est pas moi qui ai le dialecte le plus étrange.

[Hunef]

since you've got some weird dialect noone understands.

Jag är ganska säker på att det inte är jag som har den skummaste dialekten.

Je suis sûr que ce n'est pas moi qui ai le dialecte le plus étrange.

Og hot vil dú segi með dí?
[3\ h3\t v\Il d8 seIjI m@ di:]

Och vad vill du säga med det?

And what do you want to say with that?

[Skurai]

Okay guys, I decided to rewrite the first lessons before making newones, well... here's the first:



SWEDISH LESSON ONE

Word order

The basic Swedish word order is like english, SVO
(Subject-Verb-Object).

Jag äter sallad.
I eat sallad/I'm eating sallad

Pronunciation

(written in X-SAMPA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA)
(i am not that sure about this stuff Very Happy)

Vowels:
a short [ a ] long [ A: ]
i short [ I ] long [ i: ]
u short [ 8 ] long [ }: ] (not really [ }: ] but it is as close you get)
e short [ e ] long [ e: ]
o short [ O ] or [ U ] long [ o: ] or [ u: ]
y short [ Y ] long [ y: ]
å short [ O ] long [ o: ]
ä short [ e ] long [ E: ] , short [ { ] long [ {: ] in front of [ r ]
ö short [ 2 ] or [ 9 ] long [ 2: ] or [ 9: ], in front of [ r ], [ 2 ]>[ 9 ] or [ 9 ]>[ {_O ]

Consonants:
b [ b ]
c [ k ] in front of hard vowels (a o u å), [ s ] in front of soft vowels (e i y ä ö)
d [ d ]
f [ f ]
g [ g ] in front of hard vowels, [ j ] in front of soft vowels vowels (not always)
h [ h ]
j [ j ]
k [ k ] in front of hard vowels, [s\] in front of hard vowels (not always)
l [ l ]
m [ m ]
n [ n ]
p [ p ]
q [ k ] sometimes considered not a part of the alphabet
r [ r ] Heavy dialectal variation, you can find [r 4 R [R\] and maybe others
s [ s ]
t [ t ]
v [ v ]
w [ v ] sometimes considered not a part of the alphabet
x [ ks ]
z [ s ]

some other sounds:
[N] like in äng
[n`] like in hörn
[t`] like in mört
[s`] like in mars

Vocabulary

Now, practice and learn these swedish greetings by heart:

Goddag [ go:da: ] - Godday
Godmorgon [ go:moron ] - Godmorning
Godeftermiddag [ go:eftemida ] - God evening
Godnatt [ go:nat ] - Godnight
Hej [ hej ] - Hi
Hallå [ halo: ] - Hello
Hejdå [ hejdo: ] - Godbye

Feel free to correct my X-SAMPA mistakes.

[toksave]

skurai, i really like svenska and i think you chould continue the lesson, i am enjoying it.

[Skurai]

good, then I'll do so, i'll rewrite the second lesson now.

[Skurai]

LESSON ONE - LEKTION ETT
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This is the first swedish lesson, we will discuss pronunciation in the next lesson, this is more of an introduction lesson.

First off all to get you started, I will tell you how to introduce yourself.

How to introduce yourself

Hej - Hi
Jag heter... - My name is...
Jag kommer ifrån... - I'm from...
Jag är .... år (gammal) - I'm .... years (old)

:

Hej, jag heter Kevin, jag kommer ifrån Sverige och är 14 år gammal.
Hi, my name is Kevin, I come frome Sweden and I'm 14 years old.

As you can see I didn't say jag är 14 år gammal, I used och, wich means and, and then I just said är 14 år gammal, I didn't use jag since it's clear that i'm talking about myself.

Exercise one

Introduce yourself in swedish like I did!
Here Is a list of countries:

USA - USA
Amerika - America
England - England
Spanien - Spain
Tyskland - Germany
Skotland - Scotland
Frankrike - France
Japan - Japan
Kina - China
Irland - Ireland

If your country isn't there, pm me or just respond to this thread and I will add it.

[Skurai]

LESSON TWO - LEKTION TVÅ
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Alright, In this lesson I will discuss pronunciation, alrighty, let's get started shall we.
Note, everything is In X-SAMPA.

Pronunciation

Vowels:

a short [ a ] long [ A: ]
i short [ I ] long [ i: ]
u short [ 8 ] long [ }: ] (not really [ }: ] but it is as close you get)
e short [ e ] long [ e: ]
o short [ O ] or [ U ] long [ o: ] or [ u: ]
y short [ Y ] long [ y: ]
å short [ O ] long [ o: ]
ä short [ e ] long [ E: ] , short [ { ] long [ {: ] in front of [ r ]
ö short [ 2 ] or [ 9 ] long [ 2: ] or [ 9: ], in front of [ r ], [ 2 ]>[ 9 ] or [ 9 ]>[ {_O ]

Consonants:

b [ b ]
c [ k ] in front of hard vowels (a o u å), [ s ] in front of soft vowels (e i y ä ö)
d [ d ]
f [ f ]
g [ g ] in front of hard vowels, [ j ] in front of soft vowels vowels (not always)
h [ h ]
j [ j ]
k [ k ] in front of hard vowels, [ s\ ] in front of hard vowels (not always)
l [ l ]
m [ m ]
n [ n ]
p [ p ]
q [ k ] sometimes considered not a part of the alphabet
r [ r ] heavy dialectal variation, you can find [ r 4 R R\ ] and maybe others
s [ s ]
t [ t ]
v [ v ]
w [ v ] sometimes considered not a part of the alphabet
x [ ks ]
z [ s ]

So, how do you know if a vowel is long, or short?
Usually, or always, i'm not sure, you can tell by the way a word is spelled, a vowel is short if a dubel consonant follows it, like ck [ k ] tt [ t ] etc

:

Grattis [ gratIs ] - congratulations
Gratis [grA:tIs ] - free ( not freedom )

Some other sounds:

[N] like in äng
[n`] like in hörn
[t`] like in mört
[d`] like in bord
[s`] like in mars

Exercise two

try to write these words in X-SAMPA and pronounce them:

att vara - to be
en sol - a sun
att gilla - to like
att ha - to have
ett hav - an ocean
att bära - to carry

learn these words, these will be our primary vocab for next lesson:

en katt - a cat
en hund - a dog
ett bord - a table
en stol - a chair
en ö - an island
en soffa - a couch
en klocka - a watch/clock
ett jobb - a job
en bil - a car

next lesson will come tomorrow.

-Skurai

[Skurai]

LESSON 2.5 - LEKTION 2.5
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In this "mini lesson" we will learn to create really basic phrases using the verb for to be, att vara.
In this lesson you will also learn the personal pronouns and the present tense of the verb att vara.

Personal pronouns

Jag - I
Du - you
Han - he
Hon - she
Den - it
Det - it

Vi - we
Ni - you (plural, used to be formal)
Dem - they

As you can see there are two pronouns representing it, "what the hell is that" you might say, well my answer to that right now is, "don't worry about it" since I will talk about that later, for now just use den when you want to say it.

The verb "to be"

The infinitive form of the verb to be is att vara, att is like english to when used with a verb.
This verb is irregular but not that irregular, infact the only irregular part about it is that it is är in the present tense.

Jag är - I am
Du är - you are
Han är - he is
Hon är - she is
Den är - it is
Det är - it is

Vi är - we are
Ni är - you are
Dem är - they are

Sample phrases:

Jag är glad - I'm happy
Du är trött - You're tired
Han är bra - He's good
Hon är kall - She's cold
Den är liten - It's small

Here are the words you just learned:

Glad - Happy
Trött - Tired
Bra - Good
Kall - Cold
Liten - Small

Here are some new ones:

Illamående - Ill
Stark - Strong
Dålig - Bad
Stor - Big
Varm - Warm

Exercise

Write 5 sentences using the adjectives you just learned.