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vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby anb » 2011-03-09, 15:52

hello all!
i'm trying to learn the meaning of these words.
could anyone help me out?
thank you

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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby gothwolf » 2011-03-09, 19:15

Hm, "vandrouc" doesn't look lika a Slovenian word but I could be mistaken. Anyway I think both of the words come from the verb "vandrati" which means "to wander", "to meander", "to ramble"...

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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby anb » 2011-03-09, 20:24

hi and thank you :-)
i found several pages, written in slovenian, with these words, that's why i came to this forum.
and your great suggestion led me to find this as well:

vándrovec -vca m (ā) nižje pog. 1. popotnik: sprejeti vandrovca; biti večni vandrovec 2. kdor opravlja svoje delo, službo tako, da se premika iz kraja v kraj: vandrovca sta igrala na harmoniko / obrtniški vandrovec potujoči obrtnik ♪

(from this site)

is there anyone who could help me understand the above text?
by the way, i'm searching for possible origins of a surname.
thanks again!

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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby Ashucky » 2011-03-09, 21:16

Hey! Those are Slovene words, "vandrovec" is the standard version, "vandrouc" or "vandrovc" are colloquial versions. As gothwolf said, they are connected to the verb "vandrati" (literally, to bum (around/about the world); to wander), so "vandrovec" means "wanderer, traveller".

anb wrote:vándrovec -vca m (ā) nižje pog. 1. popotnik: sprejeti vandrovca; biti večni vandrovec 2. kdor opravlja svoje delo, službo tako, da se premika iz kraja v kraj: vandrovca sta igrala na harmoniko / obrtniški vandrovec = potujoči obrtnik ♪

vándrovec - lower colloquial register of speech; 1. traveller/wanderer: to welcome a traveller; to be a perpetual traveller, 2. a person who does their work, job by means of moving from place to place: travellers played the accordion / crafting traveller = travelling craftsman

I hope the above helps. :)

Origins of what surname are you searching for, exactly?
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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby anb » 2011-03-10, 16:35

thanks a million, Ashucky!

my grandmother's surname is Vandrovec, actually. her parents emigrated from current-day Czech Republic and the language they spoke at home was Czech. she always told me that it meant "wanderer" but i was curious about the etymology/origin of the word.

in Czech, there are similar words like:
vandrák - wanderer
vandrovat - journey
vandrovat - wander
vandrovník - hobo (USA)
but I've only heard "Vandrovec" used as a surname among Czechs.

recently, i came across the word "vandrovec" on a website written in Slovenian and that sparked my curiosity :-) i don't have any Slovenian friends to ask, so i came here. it's a great site, by the way! i am not a Vandrovec, but i am a... (let me try!) poučevanje vándrovca.

could you tell me if "vandrovec" is used as a surname in Slovenia? any other info you have would be nice. it's fun to learn about words and languages and find the connections.

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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby Ashucky » 2011-03-10, 19:46

No problem! It's why we're here :) I'm glad you like our site, and I hope to see you around here more ;)

Slovene has some similar words to Czech, deriving from "vandr-", as well. I found 7 words in my dictionary but they are rarely used nowadays; if they are, they usually have some negative connotation.

I checked the origins of the words and of all the Slavics, only Czech and Slovene seem have words deriving from vandr-, and after some searching my conclusion is that it's a German (or Germanic) loanword in both languages, most likely from German wandern, which comes from Proto-Germanic *wandrōnan (now as English: wander, Swedish: vandra, Danish: vandre, etc.). It means more or less the same in all languages.

What's for the surname "Vandrovec", it seems it's not used as a surname in Slovenia. I checked a few sources and I didn't get much. I found a surname "Vandravc" but it hasn't been attested in the country since 1814, and also "Vandrovše" which hasn't been attested since 1783.

anb wrote:but i am a... (let me try!) poučevanje vándrovca.

That ... didn't make much sense :P Did you mean something like "wandering student"?
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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby anb » 2011-03-12, 7:36

:blush: no, i meant teacher! wow, i get the teach and learn verbs mixed up in every language.

that's interesting about the surnames. i wonder if they wandered over to bohemia and set up camp there?!

thanks for your help!

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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby Ashucky » 2011-03-12, 22:50

Hehe, it happens.

učiti = to teach
učiti se = to learn (reflexive)
učenje = learning (noun)
poučevanje = teaching (noun)

And they probably just wandered to Bohemia and saw it's a nice little piece of land, and decided to settle down :D
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Re: vandrouc/vandrovec

Postby włóczykij » 2011-12-07, 17:33

Polish also have words (I think) from german "wandern":
wędrowiec
Wędrować


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