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Postby Vlacko » 2005-09-07, 10:40

I noticed that Lithuanian names have endings simillar to Romans. E.G. Darius, or -is ending, or -as...
Do Lithuanian have any similarities with Latin, and what is the origin of this names and surnames?
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Re: Lithuanian names

Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 10:53

Vlacko wrote:I noticed that Lithuanian names have endings simillar to Romans. E.G. Darius, or -is ending, or -as...
Do Lithuanian have any similarities with Latin, and what is the origin of this names and surnames?


Hey,

Yes, Lithuanian has ties with Latin grammar (indoeuropean heritage?) and those suffixes are somehow related as well.

As for the meaning of the suffixes, those -as, -is and -us shows that the name carrier is a male person, female names usually end up with -a and -ė. The origin of these suffixes is our grammar system ;)

For samples of Lithuanian names, you might click the following:

http://day.lt/vardai

Note the AĄBCČDEFGHIJKLMNOPRSŠTUŪVZŽ line. Click it for names starting of corresponding letter.

Check my post in this topic for noun system
http://home.unilang.org/main/forum/view ... c&start=15

Cheers ;)

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2005-09-07, 11:15

Hmm, if I'm getting this right, I might end up being called Marcelijus if I happen to be born Lithuanian in some alternative universe. ;)

Do Lithuanians use second names? If so, then that alternative me could add Juozapas, too, hehe.
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Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 11:27

Psi-Lord wrote:Hmm, if I'm getting this right, I might end up being called Marcelijus if I happen to be born Lithuanian in some alternative universe. ;)

Do Lithuanians use second names? If so, then that alternative me could add Juozapas, too, hehe.


Hehe, seems like you've got both Christian names. Lithuanians somehow tend to name their children by ethnic names (Mindaugas, Mantas, Saulius, Vilius, Vaiva, Eglė, Ramunė etc.), althaugh Jonas [John] is an exception and is among the most popular names recently. Middle name is also used very rarely, so in ~95% cases it's 1 Name + 1 Surname.

Also note that surname might reflect marital status. Now-a-days it applies for women only, but some time ago men were also modifying their surnames when married. For modern system, here's an example:

Father: Vidmantas Indrašius
Mother: Birutė Indrašienė
Doughter: Vaiva Indrašiūtė
Son: Mantas Indrašius

In earlier times, son's surname would probably be Indrašiūnas or Indrašaitis.

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Postby Vlacko » 2005-09-07, 13:30

Thanks Mantaz!
You cleared some things to me.
Can you tell me how can I see all the Lithuanian letters? I can't see all. Most yes, but some still can't...
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Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 13:37

Vlacko wrote:Thanks Mantaz!
You cleared some things to me.
Can you tell me how can I see all the Lithuanian letters? I can't see all. Most yes, but some still can't...


No problem ;)

As for letters, you probably use IE, that really has such problem with UTF-8 encoding that Unilang uses, but I dunno how to solve this problem, maybe just download Firefox ;)

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Postby egidijus » 2005-09-07, 15:03

I noticed that Lithuanian names have endings simillar to Romans. E.G. Darius, or -is ending, or -as...
Do Lithuanian have any similarities with Latin, and what is the origin of this names and surnames?

Well I want to add that lithuanian language is the oldest alive indoeuropean language. It does not only has similarities with latin, but and whith sanskrit and other languages. The most visible similarity is whit latin:
lithuanian senas (old)> latin senex, senis (the same lithuanian word for old man)
dantis (a tooth)> dentis
du (two) > duo
vyras (a man)> vir
ugnis (a fire)> ignis
ausis (ear)> auris
giminė (family)> gentis (the same lithuanian word for tribe)
and so on...
Talking about names some of the names are not realy lithuanian. It was borowed from other languages, since it sounded like lithuanian, for example my name :)

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Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 18:26

egidijus wrote:
I noticed that Lithuanian names have endings simillar to Romans. E.G. Darius, or -is ending, or -as...
Do Lithuanian have any similarities with Latin, and what is the origin of this names and surnames?

Well I want to add that lithuanian language is the oldest alive indoeuropean language. It does not only has similarities with latin, but and whith sanskrit and other languages. The most visible similarity is whit latin:
lithuanian senas (old)> latin senex, senis (the same lithuanian word for old man)
dantis (a tooth)> dentis
du (two) > duo
vyras (a man)> vir
ugnis (a fire)> ignis
ausis (ear)> auris
giminė (family)> gentis (the same lithuanian word for tribe)
and so on...
Talking about names some of the names are not realy lithuanian. It was borowed from other languages, since it sounded like lithuanian, for example my name :)


It does have similarities and there's even entire book written about it ("Lietuvių ir lotynų kalbų bendrybių žodynas" ar kažkaip pan.) ;) Another correction that any language isn't considered the oldest, since they don't know which people started speaking first or so. But I think you meant "the most archaic living IDE language" ;)

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Postby Liisi » 2005-09-07, 18:36

Mantaz wrote:It does have similarities and there's even entire book written about it ("Lietuvių ir lotynų kalbų bendrybių žodynas" ar kažkaip pan.) ;) Another correction [...]


That's exactly what Egidijus said, isn't it?

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Postby egidijus » 2005-09-07, 18:41

But I think you meant "the most archaic living IDE language" Wink

Yes, that's what I meant to say :) Bet manau kad achaiškiausias=senoviškiausias=seniausias. Tad nematau čia jokio skirtumo... ir manęs taisyti nereikėjo, nes aš taip pat rašiau kad turi panašumų su lotynų kalba.

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Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 18:51

Oh, sorry, I read it in a different way, LOL :D As for the oldest = most archaic, I must disagree with you and I already explained why ;) That's what LKŽ says:

Senas: turintis daug amžiaus, sulaukęs senatvės, nejaunas

Senoviškas: būdingas senovei, seniems laikams; senovėje vartotas, senovėje įprastu būdu padarytas

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Postby Liisi » 2005-09-07, 19:22

Aš irgi turiu klausimą apie lietuviškus vardus. Man būtų labai įdomu sužinoti, kaip jie "taisyklingai" trumpinasi. Rusų kalboje juk yra daug variantų kiekvienam vardui, pvz.

Oficialus vardas - Trumpinimas - Deminutyvas

Vladimir - Vova - Vovočka
Anna - Ania - Anečka

Trumpinimas tai yra kaip draugai tave vadina, o deminutyvu vadina paprastai tie, kurie tave myli. (Žinoma, apie rusiškus vardus galima net knygą parašyti, aš tai labai trumpai pasakiau).

Lietuvių kalbojė, kaip ir rusų, yra daug deminutyvų, todėl manau, jog ir vardai turbūt daug keičiasi.

Štai ką aš žinau (arba manau ;)):

Vytautas - Vytas - Vytukas
Gediminas - Gedas - ?
Ona - Onutė/? - Onutė/?

Daugiau nieko nežinau, galiu tik atspėti. Galbūt čia yra kokia nors taisyklė...? Jokiu atveju, būtų smagu jei jūs parašytumėte trumpinimus ir deminutyvus paprastiems lietuviškams vardams (ir savo vardams, jei noritė - nebijokit, aš ir po to jus vadinsiu kaip ir anksčiai :wink:).

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I have a question about Lithuanian names, too. I'd be really interested to know how you shorten them "correctly". In Russian, as you maybe know, there are many variants for each name, for example:

Official name - Shortened name - Deminutive

Vladimir - Vova - Vovočka
Anna - Ania - Anečka

The shortened name is how your friends call you, and deminutive is usually used by those who love you. (Of course, one could write a whole book about Russian names, I just said it in a nutshell).

In Lithuanian, like in Russian, there are lots of deminutives, and that's why I suppose the names change a lot, too.

Here's what I know (or think ;)):

Vytautas - Vytas - Vytukas
Gediminas - Gedas - ?
Ona - Onutė/? - Onutė/?

I don't know anything more, I can only guess. Maybe there's some kind of a rule here...? In any case, it'd be nice if you wrote the shortened versions and deminutives for common Lithuanian names (and your own, if you want to - don't be afraid, even after that I'll call you as I did before :wink:).
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Postby Mantaz » 2005-09-07, 19:40

Yes, our names are shortened, but only long ones. Say, my name (Mantas) can't be shortened, but it might have deminutive (Mantukas). As for other ones:

Gediminas - Gedas - Gedutis
Ona - Ona - Onutė/Onytė
Saulius - Saulius - Sauliukas
Mindaugas - Mindė - Mindaugėlis
Gertrūda - Gerda - Gerdutė
Šarūnas - Šaras - Šarūnėlis
Donatas - Doncė - Donatukas
Kristina - Kristė - Kristutė / Kristinutė
Martynas - Marčius - none

The deminutives are made as easier to pronounce, I don't think there are rules for that :P As well as our names are usually short, thus not all the names might be shortened ;)

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Postby Liisi » 2005-09-09, 8:05

Ačiū Mantai :).
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Postby egidijus » 2005-09-10, 19:59

I don't know anything more, I can only guess. Maybe there's some kind of a rule here...? In any case, it'd be nice if you wrote the shortened versions and deminutives for common Lithuanian names (and your own, if you want to - don't be afraid, even after that I'll call you as I did before Wink)

You can call me Egis, or Egyda, but I prefer Egis, since it does not sound so rudly. Well Mantas wrote how names are shortened in Vilnius. In Tauragė names are shortened a little bit different.
Gediminas - Gedas/Gedis - Gedutis/Gedukas
Mindaugas - Mindis - Mindaugėlis/Mindaugiukas
Donatas - Doncis/Donis - Donatukas/Donatėlis
Donata - Doncė/Donė - Donatukė/Donatėlė
Šarūnas - Šaras/Šaris - Šarūnėlis/Šarūniukas
Martynas - Marčius/Martis - Martynėlis/Martynukas
Of course you can think more.
I think that shotenings Mindė, Doncė for Mindaugas and Donatas are not correct, becouse Mindė, Doncė has femine gender and MIndaugas, Donatas are masculine gender. You can call them if they are... :roll: But it's a spoken language and it's not so easy to correct.
Well I agree with Mantas that there is no actual rule fot shortening, just the name has to have the same radical (but there are exeptions) as the original name. And if you want to make deminutive you have to put deminutival suffixes:
-ukas -ukė
-elis -elė
-ėlis -ėlė
-čiukas -čiukė
and other. Sometimes they are combined: Mindaugėliukas, Donatėliukė...
Say, my name (Mantas) can't be shortened

Oh yes it can! Samogitians would call you Mants (me too, becouse I speak samogitian) :wink:

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Postby Strigo » 2005-09-10, 20:28

I'd love to listen to Samogitian to hear the difference! :D
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Postby vicza » 2005-09-10, 21:23

Strigo wrote:I'd love to listen to Samogitian to hear the difference! :D

So listen to Aistė's song (in the other topic), you'll hear it. :)

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Postby Alcadras » 2005-09-10, 21:24

yes i uploaded it.

it's a bit enstrumental like "nocturne" (norwegian entry in 1995)

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Postby Liisi » 2005-09-11, 8:35

vicza wrote:
Strigo wrote:I'd love to listen to Samogitian to hear the difference! :D

So listen to Aistė's song (in the other topic), you'll hear it. :)


Also in the link I gave to the Wikipedia (after the post about Aistė) you can find an audio sample of Samogitian.
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Postby Liisi » 2005-09-11, 8:36

egidijus wrote:You can call me Egis, or Egyda, but I prefer Egis


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