Lithuanian verbs

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Postby Abavagada » 2006-05-17, 14:12

I think I am getting the idea behind them now.

Before the conjugation endings are added, the "-ti" is dropped from the infinitive form, which I am familiar with. However, from what I have researched, vowels (including "y") which preced the "ti" are ALSO dropped.

So while, present 1st sing of
dirbti -> dirbu (-ti + u)

the ė of mylėti would be dropped
mylėti -> myliu (-ė + iu)

Is that the correct rule? To drop the -ti AND all vowels, including "y"?

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Postby Mantaz » 2006-05-17, 20:46

Abavagada wrote:I think I am getting the idea behind them now.

Before the conjugation endings are added, the "-ti" is dropped from the infinitive form, which I am familiar with. However, from what I have researched, vowels (including "y") which preced the "ti" are ALSO dropped.

So while, present 1st sing of
dirbti -> dirbu (-ti + u)

the ė of mylėti would be dropped
mylėti -> myliu (-ė + iu)

Is that the correct rule? To drop the -ti AND all vowels, including "y"?

Erik / Aba


With suffixes, yes, but as I told you, you will have problems with suffixless verbs. Say:

imti (im + ti) => imu (im + u)
vemti (vem + ti) => vemiu (vem + iu)

kepti (kep + ti) => kepu (kep + u)
šelpti (šelp + ti) => šelpiu (šelp + iu)

and I don't think there's any rule for it. Also, such short word like "ryti", "vyti" don't, in fact, have suffixes, coz there can't be one-letter long word roots, so:

ryti => riju
vyti => viju

Then again:

busti => bundu
dūsti => dūstu

and other instances.

That's why you need to learn the basic forms here ;)

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Postby Abavagada » 2006-05-17, 21:42

Mantaz wrote:That's why you need to learn the basic forms here ;)


Yes, but if I am trying to build a resource for teaching, and can't fine a clear one to start with, it makes things far more complicated. So before I can build the resource, I need to understand the rules. It's catch-22. :cry:

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Postby Mantaz » 2006-05-18, 7:40

Abavagada wrote:
Mantaz wrote:That's why you need to learn the basic forms here ;)


Yes, but if I am trying to build a resource for teaching, and can't fine a clear one to start with, it makes things far more complicated. So before I can build the resource, I need to understand the rules. It's catch-22. :cry:

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Well, these are exceptions and only esperanto is exception-less ;) I can just tell, that this group of verbs is the narrowest :)

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Postby Rokas » 2006-07-13, 17:33

Mantaz wrote:
ryti => riju
vyti => viju



It is actually veju, not viju.

Perhaps a little too late :roll: .
The three verb forms exhibit root vowel change and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Postby Mantaz » 2006-07-13, 19:35

Rokas wrote:
Mantaz wrote:
ryti => riju
vyti => viju



It is actually veju, not viju.

Perhaps a little too late :roll: .
The three verb forms exhibit root vowel change and there's nothing you can do about it.


vyti has two meanings: "to stampede" [veju] and "to strand" [viju] :)

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Postby Rokas » 2006-07-14, 10:24

Ooops :D A slip!

Okay, I think it goes this way:

vyti - veja - vijo (to chase off, to stampede)

Veju šunį lauk iš trobos.

vyti - vija - vijo (to strand)

Siūlai, siūlai susivykit,
Siūlo galo nepalikit.
Senoji kruopščiai vija siūlus.

ryti - ryja - rijo (to swallow, to gobble)

Obuolį jis ryte ryja.

BUT

rūdyti - rūdija - rūdijo (to rust)

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