What is the origin of these words.

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What is the origin of these words.

Postby neutral » 2010-02-27, 2:37

bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby modus.irrealis » 2010-02-27, 3:02

Have you seen this Türkçe Etimolojik Sözlük. I don't know how trustworthy it is, but it seems pretty good to me.

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby Mert » 2010-02-27, 15:49

neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?


I have "The Etymology Dictonary of Turkish Language", written by İsmet Zeki Eyuboğlu. I bought it in 2000. The dictionary says "bilmek, çevirmek, kaz, kesmek" are Turkish. The origin of the öküz word is unknown, because its morphem is the same in many languages. The kedi word comes from Greek. Ayna has Persian origin.
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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby neutral » 2010-03-04, 22:31

ayna and din are said to be iranian by a number of linguists though they dont have indo-iranian counterparts and their etymologies is not satisfiying,I think that ayna is connected with semitic ayn=eye and din with semitic dayn=duty.

as for the animals,as they dont have altaic(mongolian and tungusic)counterparts,I think that they are ie(scythians??,tocharians??,soghdians?? or unattested ie people)or semitic loans.

It seems that there is an east iranic component in Turkic languages,that's why Turkic languages have some pecularities not shared by Tungusic and Mongolic languages.

As for bilmek it could be a late iranian loan as there are some Turkish verbs borrowed from Persian as tırsmak,bağışlamak...

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby alijsh » 2010-04-12, 4:25

neutral wrote:ayna and din are said to be iranian by a number of linguists though they dont have indo-iranian counterparts and their etymologies is not satisfiying,I think that ayna is connected with semitic ayn=eye and din with semitic dayn=duty.

«dīn» is definitely a Persian word coming from Middle Persian «dēn», from old Persian daena (as a general rule, «ae» has become «ē» in Middle Persian, and «ē» has become «ī» in modern Persian). It is also found in Avesta; if I'm not mistaken: «daēnā». And both in Avestan and Persian (and Parthian, …), it has had the meaning of «religion».

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby CanAktan » 2010-05-23, 9:42

neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?


bilmek from Turkic
ayna from Arabic, the Turkish counterpart is gözgü
kedi from arabic, the Turkish counterpart is pisik
kaz from Turkic

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby mdftl » 2010-07-11, 16:44

CanAktan wrote:
neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?


bilmek from Turkic
ayna from Arabic, the Turkish counterpart is gözgü
kedi from arabic, the Turkish counterpart is pisik
kaz from Turkic

ayna if means mirror is persian آینه Ayene or ayne [e as e get]
arabic word is عین eyn : göz [e: sound of a at cat]

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby CanAktan » 2010-07-17, 23:37

mdftl wrote:
CanAktan wrote:
neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?


bilmek from Turkic
ayna from Arabic, the Turkish counterpart is gözgü
kedi from arabic, the Turkish counterpart is pisik
kaz from Turkic

ayna if means mirror is persian آینه Ayene or ayne [e as e get]
arabic word is عین eyn : göz [e: sound of a at cat]


i've looked some dictionaries and i've realized that ayna is persian loanword.

bilmek from Turkic
ayna from Persian, the Turkish counterpart is gözgü
kedi from Arabic, the Turkish counterpart is pisik
kaz from Turkic
kesmek from Turkic

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby ElifSu » 2017-06-15, 15:01

neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?


Bilmek from Old Turkic bil-
Çevirmek from Old Turkic çewür-
Kedi from possible from Ancient Egyptian kaute - universal in the world, cat, gato etc. But the real Turkish/Öztürkçe word is pisi/pisik/pishik
Kaz from Old Turkic kāz oldest form in Uyghur language - in Yakut Turkic it is xaas?
Öküz mentioned in Irk Bitig - a book written in Oghuz Turkic before 900 A.D in Mongolian the animal's name is üker - it may come from Tocharian.
Buğra - buka/buğra/boğa are all similar buka iş mentioned in Orkhon yazıtları - there is a possibility of the word being Old Iranian but not Arabic
Ayna - from Persian! Ayn is just similarity. The Turkic words are tuli and tula - they are also girl names!
Kesmek is from Old Turkic kes-

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby voron » 2017-06-18, 22:05

ElifSu wrote:
neutral wrote:bilmek from persian balidan?
çevirmek from arabic devir?
kedi arabic qit?
kaz ie gwaz?
öküz ie ox?
buğra arabic baqara?
ayna arabic ayn?
kesmek arabic qas?

But the real Turkish/Öztürkçe word is pisi/pisik/pishik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28t9kW74R-g
"Kolay gele, pisikler" :)

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-09-24, 3:34

Mert wrote:The kedi word comes from Greek.

That seems to be accurate.

And really, آینه doesn't come from Arabic and has a cognate in Ossetian? :o

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby eskandar » 2017-09-24, 7:11

vijayjohn wrote:And really, آینه doesn't come from Arabic and has a cognate in Ossetian? :o

Yep!
Heydari-Malayeri etymologyical dictionary wrote:Âyené, from Mid.Pers. êwênag "mirror," from *âdênak, from Proto-Iranian *ādayanaka-, from prefix ā- + the root of Av. dā(y)- "to see," didāti "sees" (cf. Mod.Pers. didan "to see," Mid.Pers. ditan "to see, regard, catch sight of, contemplate, experience;" O.Pers. dī- "to see;" Skt. dhī- "to perceive, think, ponder; thought, reflection, meditation," dādhye; Gk. dedorka "have seen") + suffix -ak.
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: What is the origin of these words.

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-09-24, 7:36

Wow, that was exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much! :)

But now I'm wondering how it went from *âdênak to êwênag to âyené. That kind of makes it look like the â change to ê and then back to â. How could that have happened? :shock:


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