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Turkish - Indonesian

Postby 0stsee » 2007-09-01, 0:21

It's interesting to see how many words in Turkish are similar to Indonesian:

cevap - jawab (pronounced: jawap)
Mezmur - Mazmur
hakim - hakim
saat - saat (means "moment" in Indonesian)
zaman - zaman/jaman (means "era")
Yunanistan - Yunani
Mısır - Mesir
hediye - hadiah
masa - meja (compare the Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations of "mesa")


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Postby JaneFairfax » 2007-09-01, 0:33

I don’t know that many words in either language, but I think the following pair may be added to the list:

selam (Turkish) / salam (Indonesian)

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby 0stsee » 2007-09-01, 0:36

Thanks a lot, Jane Fairfax!

cevap - jawab (pronounced: jawap)
Mezmur - Mazmur
hakim - hakim
saat - saat (means "moment" in Indonesian)
zaman - zaman/jaman (means "era")
Yunanistan - Yunani
Mısır - Mesir
hediye - hadiah
masa - meja (compare the Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations of "mesa")
selam - salam


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Locative

Postby 0stsee » 2007-09-01, 0:43

Btw, the locative preposition in Indonesian is di, similar to Turkish -de.
But this is probably just a coincidence. :)

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Postby hasanyasin » 2007-09-01, 7:41

Most of these words are from Arabic so the roots are the same:)

The word "masa" should be from classical Latin. In Latin, it is "mensa". Spanish, Portuguese, Italian are the first three languages in the list of languages having huge roots in Latin.

Latin, Arabic, and Persian had strongly affected many languages mostly since great written literature in these languages.

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Postby kalemiye » 2007-09-01, 7:41

Those words are of arabic origin, so I guess they are just arabic loanwords that happen in both languages. Cevap i think it¡s a persian loanword but I'm not sure. And as for "masa", that word comes from Spanish, because after the spanish jews were expelled from Spain, may of them went to the Ottoman Empire (the turkish sultan sent many boats to Spain), nowadays there is still a small community of Ladino speakers in Istanbul.
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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby 0stsee » 2007-09-02, 20:16

Two words added:

cevap - jawab (pronounced: jawap) = answer
Mezmur - Mazmur = Psalm
hakim - hakim = judge
saat - saat (means "moment" in Indonesian)
zaman - zaman/jaman (means "era")
Yunanistan - Yunani = Greece
Mısır - Mesir = Egypt
hediye - hadiah = present
masa - meja (compare the Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations of "mesa") = table
selam - salam = greeting
dünya - dunia = world
izin - izin/ijin = allowance


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Postby eskandar » 2007-09-26, 17:12

renata wrote:Those words are of arabic origin, so I guess they are just arabic loanwords that happen in both languages. Cevap i think it¡s a persian loanword but I'm not sure.


Cevap is actually of Arabic origin as well, though like many of these words, it entered Turkish through Persian. So it's a loan from Persian, ultimately of Arabic origin.

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Postby alijsh » 2007-09-30, 9:53

My first post in Turkish forum. I'm learning some Azeri Turkish to converse with my Azeri compatriots in their own language.

hasanyasin wrote:The word "masa" should be from classical Latin. In Latin, it is "mensa". Spanish, Portuguese, Italian are the first three languages in the list of languages having huge roots in Latin.

It's miz in Persian and it's older pronunciation is mēz BUT because of the final a, I don't think it's a borrowing from Persian.

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby alijsh » 2007-09-30, 10:07

0stsee wrote:Yunanistan - Yunani

Yunanistan is an interesting word. It's Persian in construction (yunâni: Greek, -stân: suffix for place; it's found in the name of various countries: Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Hindustan, etc.) but we don't have such a word. By the way, Yunanistan means Greece or Greek? I expect it to mean Greece.

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby Bahho » 2007-10-01, 22:46

alijsh wrote:By the way, Yunanistan means Greece or Greek? I expect it to mean Greece.


Yunanistan = Greece
Yunan = Greek
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Postby 0stsee » 2007-10-02, 9:39

Bahho wrote:
alijsh wrote:By the way, Yunanistan means Greece or Greek? I expect it to mean Greece.


Yunanistan = Greece
Yunan = Greek
;)

In Indonesian, Yunani means both Greece and Greek

Greek language = Bahasa Yunani
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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby kuneli » 2007-11-24, 1:03

0stsee wrote:It's interesting to see how many words in Turkish are similar to Indonesian:

cevap - jawab (pronounced: jawap)
Mezmur - Mazmur
hakim - hakim
saat - saat (means "moment" in Indonesian)
zaman - zaman/jaman (means "era")
Yunanistan - Yunani
Mısır - Mesir
hediye - hadiah
masa - meja (compare the Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations of "mesa")


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Selamat pagi! To your info, ALL the words you mentioned above are a r a b ic words which entered the turkish and the indonesian languages mostly with islam. Arabic is what latin/greek has been in the languages of christian countries. You can find much more about turkish, this very exotic and beautifull language, in the wikipedia's article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language
enjoy and selamat

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby ufuk » 2011-09-07, 15:05

The word "yunan" is actually a turkified pronunciation of "ionian".

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby Bahho » 2011-09-07, 15:21

wow!
An almost 4 year old topic. :)

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby Meera » 2011-09-09, 20:48

0stsee wrote:It's interesting to see how many words in Turkish are similar to Indonesian:

cevap - jawab (pronounced: jawap)
Mezmur - Mazmur
hakim - hakim
saat - saat (means "moment" in Indonesian)
zaman - zaman/jaman (means "era")
Yunanistan - Yunani
Mısır - Mesir
hediye - hadiah
masa - meja (compare the Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations of "mesa")


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Some of these words are in Hindi/urdu as well. This on eof the reasons I started learning some Indonesian because so many words are similiar to Hindi, Turkish, Persian and Arabic. There were also quite a few of Inonesians in my Arabic class, I was so surprised.
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Postby Hassaan Zia » 2012-02-01, 23:42

Bahho wrote:
alijsh wrote:By the way, Yunanistan means Greece or Greek? I expect it to mean Greece.


Yunanistan = Greece
Yunan = Greek
;)



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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby erikvandenmeersch » 2017-12-10, 3:36

Interesting post. Additions to the list

kurban - korban (victim)
nikah - pernikahan (marriage per- and -an are pre/suffixes nikah is the stem)
nefes - nafas (breath)

Every day I find more.
Someone suggested these are loan words. Maybe both in turkish and indonesian imported from Arabic. Another (less probable) theory is that these are 'proto-asian' words - turkish people originated from central asia. Fascinating..

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Re: Turkish - Indonesian

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-01-29, 20:08

erikvandenmeersch wrote:Maybe both in turkish and indonesian imported from Arabic.

Yes, they came from Arabic into both Turkish and Indonesian.


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