We are the masters of our own fate

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We are the masters of our own fate

Postby Mens Libera » 2010-09-02, 13:23

Could somebody please translate We are the masters of our own fate in Latin?

Many thanks in advance - much appreciated!

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby Quevenois » 2010-09-02, 15:08

I'd say:

Domini sumus nostri ipsius fati. (not sure)
אַ שפראַך איז אַ דיאַלעקט מיט אַן אַרמײ און פֿלאָט

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby Bernard » 2010-11-22, 19:38

Quevenois wrote:I'd say: Domini sumus nostri ipsius fati. (not sure)
Sero admodum, fateor, neque tamen nimis sero :lol: : Domini sumus nostri ipsorum fati. (nostri pron. poss. plur., ergo et ipsorum plur.)

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby KingHarvest » 2010-11-22, 22:18

No, that is absolutely wrong, Bernard. Propri would be better than ipsius.
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby Bernard » 2010-11-25, 16:58

KingHarvest wrote:No, that is absolutely wrong, Bernard. Propri would be better than ipsius.

Bernardus Regi Messium sal.
Vehementer doleo, amice, quod tu ipse in errorem raptus videris esse; scribi enim licet nostri ipsorum fati. Ut hoc loco uno solo utar exemplo, cf. Cic. fam. 6, 16: Itaque contentus ero nostra ipsorum amicitia. Quicumque apud nos linguae studet Latinae, is hunc adhibet librum: Hermann Menge, Lehrbuch der lateinischen Syntax und Semantik, völlig neubearbeitet von Thorsten Burkhard und Markus Schauer, Darmstadt 2000. Quo in libro haec invenies scripta (§ 63, 1b; p. 99):
Häufig werden im Lateinischen die Genetive ipsius, ipsorum, ipsarum zu einem Possessivpronomen gesetzt... Im Deutschen gibt man diese Verbindung mit dem Adjektiv 'eigen' wieder...
Neque tamen infitior etiam scribi posse nostri proprii fati.
Vale.
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby KingHarvest » 2010-11-25, 22:07

Well, I'll be damned, I've never seen that construction before.
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby arborio » 2011-01-16, 16:58

I'm way out of my depth in this forum, but one of the few Latin tags I remember is "fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae". According to my quotations dictionary, it is cited by Sallust (De Civitate, I.2). Perhaps that was the origin of Mens Libera's question?

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby Bernard » 2011-01-16, 18:49

Recte iudicas, arborio. Sallustius mentionem sententiae facit Appii Claudii. Scribi licet in casu nominativo: Faber est suae quisque fortunae.

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby hlysnan » 2011-01-16, 19:49

Bernard wrote:Faber est suae quisque fortunae.


This was my high school motto, and while not a literal translation of the question, I think it fits well as an answer.

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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby AlbaRules » 2011-02-11, 0:51

Domini fatum nostri sumus.

eh, good enough imo, but what do I know? I'm just a Latin IV highschooler whose teacher isn't letting him go further than Latin III :(
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby KingHarvest » 2011-02-11, 1:54

That's not right, for one thing fatum is in the wrong case, unless you're trying to be ridiculously poetic and that's a genitive plural.
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby AlbaRules » 2011-02-11, 2:12

KingHarvest wrote:That's not right, for one thing fatum is in the wrong case, unless you're trying to be ridiculously poetic and that's a genitive plural.


Oh really? I didn't realize that Fatum, fati (a second declension neuter) wouldn't have a genitive plural of fatorum

I guess my presumption was off, I thought that the accusative singular=the nominative singular :hmm:

I believe that fatum is actually the accusative singular. That or Notre Dame's Latin-English Dictionary is wrong...
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby KingHarvest » 2011-02-11, 2:16

Why would you need an accusative? I don't think you understand the grammar of the sentence.

-um is a possible replacement for -orum, but it is rare outside of poetry.
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Re: We are the masters of our own fate

Postby AlbaRules » 2011-02-11, 2:20

KingHarvest wrote:Why would you need an accusative? I don't think you understand the grammar of the sentence.

-um is a possible replacement for -orum, but it is rare outside of poetry.


You're right. I was focusing on the genitive of the "our" and not "fate" :oops:

Shoot me lol

Latin to English is SO much easier, everything is there lol
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